Jeff McDonald with the Twitter bads

[cd98]

lol wut

Duncan wasn't better than Dirk? Prime Manu wasn't a better #2 than Amare, JJ or Matrix? Pop wasn't better than Nellie/D'Antoni? Not to mention the fact that you are comparing a #1 to a guy who was a 3rd banana.

Amare, Dirk and Matrix all had better all star resumes than Manu. Sure Duncan is the best player of the names mentioned, but Parker wasn't a third banana and part of the Spur strategy against Nash was to have Parker torch him every time they played. If you credit Nash for being a great player, then you have to credit D'Antoni, who created the system wherein Nash thrived. And Pop was Nellie's student. Go back and study Pop's career. He worked under Nellie before coming to the Spurs and he has great respect for him as he's stated publicly many times.

[cd98]

Nah don't be dumb. Manu agreed to come off the bench and play fewer minutes than other great players. Enrique was never handicapped by that, if anything he benefited from being the leading scorer of the system-dependent Spurs (once Timmy & Manu got older)...that's how he racked up most of his all-star nods. No different than Teague benefiting from Pop/Bud's system tbh.

You're changing your argument. You are saying that Manu was better than Amare, Dirk, Matrix, and Johnson in their primes. We never talked about Parker being better than Manu or having more all-star and all NBA team recognition. Amare, Dirk, Matrix, and Johnson had more All-Star nods and NBA awards than Manu. According to your "Nash logic" all star nods and all NBA nods mean Nash is better than Parker. If that is true, then the all star nods and all NBA nods show that Amare, Dirk, Matrix, and Johnson were better than Manu and Dirk was pretty close to even with Duncan. Now I don't buy the "Nash Logic" but if you are arguing that he was better than Parker for that, then you have to acknowledge that Nash played on equally talented teams. , those Suns teams had lots of great players. Nash just wasn't good enough to lead them to the promised land.

[cd98]

Nash was an Amare/Diaw suspension and a Tim Donaghy game away from potentially having a championship, tbh..he also made it to the WCFs several times in tough conferences, it's not like he was Carmelo or McGrady..

Funny because Nash is quick to point out that San Antonio would have beat them regardless because they were the better team.

[cd98]

I don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the same breathe as other guys with multiple MVPs. Don't think he deserved his second one either. With that said, D'Antoni's system hasn't done without Nash. It was tailor suited for him but that doesn't diminish how great he was at running it. He was the orchestrator and a lot of player's inflated numbers had as much to do with his ability to run the system as it did the system itself.

D'Antoni's system hasn't been good without Nash, Joe Johnson, Amare, and Matrix. But you give him those players again in their primes, and he'll be a great coach again. D'Antoni has not coached a team with as much talent (key- in their prime) as he had with that Suns team.

[FkLA]

Amare, Dirk and Matrix all had better all star resumes than Manu. Sure Duncan is the best player of the names mentioned, but Parker wasn't a third banana and part of the Spur strategy against Nash was to have Parker torch him every time they played. If you credit Nash for being a great player, then you have to credit D'Antoni, who created the system wherein Nash thrived. And Pop was Nellie's student. Go back and study Pop's career. He worked under Nellie before coming to the Spurs and he has great respect for him as he's stated publicly many times.

He was the third best player on the Spurs during those years. That makes him a 3rd banana. The fact that he scored vs a weak defensive team doesn't change that. The D'Antoni system you are praising didn't even bother with defense, Jalen Rose came out and said they didn't even discuss defensive strategy...'if we do our job, the offensive system will carry us to the win we don't have to worry about what the other team does' was D'Antoni's philosophy.

You're changing your argument. You are saying that Manu was better than Amare, Dirk, Matrix, and Johnson in their primes. We never talked about Parker being better than Manu or having more all-star and all NBA team recognition. Amare, Dirk, Matrix, and Johnson had more All-Star nods and NBA awards than Manu. According to your "Nash logic" all star nods and all NBA nods mean Nash is better than Parker. If that is true, then the all star nods and all NBA nods show that Amare, Dirk, Matrix, and Johnson were better than Manu and Dirk was pretty close to even with Duncan. Now I don't buy the "Nash Logic" but if you are arguing that he was better than Parker for that, then you have to acknowledge that Nash played on equally talented teams. , those Suns teams had lots of great players. Nash just wasn't good enough to lead them to the promised land.

My 'Nash logic' doesn't apply to Manu and I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation for that. He came off the bench and played limited minutes (relative to other great players) during his prime. What similar handicap did Enrique had that affected his all-star/all-nba nods? Like I said if anything he benefitted from being the George Teague of Pop's system once Timmy/Manu aged and the Spurs started being more system reliant.

D'Antoni's system hasn't been good without Nash, Joe Johnson, Amare, and Matrix. But you give him those players again in their primes, and he'll be a great coach again. D'Antoni has not coached a team with as much talent (key- in their prime) as he had with that Suns team.

He had Kirby, Diwght, Pau and a broken down Nash in LA.

[Malik Hairston]

Funny because Nash is quick to point out that San Antonio would have beat them regardless because they were the better team.

I believe the Spurs would have still won the series, too, but let's not act like it's a given..if they win that series(which was a toss-up, at that point), they easily win the le and the narrative about Nash's career is completely different(as we always do with championships, unfortunately)..

Nash played well in that series, too, it's not like he let the Suns down..

[Cane]

Nash is overrated. Only a lazy player would embrace D'Antoni and Porter; Gortat was absolutely disgusted at the lack of preparation that the Suns culture was used to. The Nash-led Suns held no one accountable, and how could you when he is a mismatch for everyone in the league or is lying on his back.

The media only likes Nash because he gave them attention, and Nash wants to join the media after retirement, tbh.
Worst 2x MVP of all time

[100%duncan]

One of the 2 best PGs of this generation along with Paul, tbh..

Crazy how much the narrative could have changed if Amare and Diaw stay on the bench..

Why? We always had the benefit of game 7 in our home floor and clearly the Suns were a mentally weak team

[100%duncan]

Especially when Enrique is an even bigger choker than Nash or Paul, who haven't exactly been playoff warriors themselves.

Parker is a choker but not as high of the level of Choke Paul. Don't try and pull a fast one got

[Cane]

One of the 2 best PGs of this generation along with Paul, tbh..

Crazy how much the narrative could have changed if Amare and Diaw stay on the bench..

Suns fans (yuck) and the media (double yuck) would just blame Tim Donaghy, or Amare/Diaw for not being Tim Duncan tbh

Narrative is all Nash has....... tbh

[T Park]

true

David Aldridge is a huge got too

He tweeted Westbrook's birthdate; that's right
Who gives a flying about RW's birthdate; someone replied to his tweet by advising him to post more interesting stuff, and DA blocked him

you along with that person that tweeted him have zero idea how twitter works apparently.

[Clipper Nation]

Parker is a choker but not as high of the level of Choke Paul. Don't try and pull a fast one got

Choke Paul has had a negative postseason BPM once in his entire career - Enrique has done it in three of the Spurs' championship years, and that's not even counting the rest of his career.

Choke Paul is a playoff gag artist for sure, but Enrique chokes so hard on a regular basis that a new word needs to be invented for it, because "choke" doesn't go far enough.

[100%duncan]

Choke Paul has had a negative postseason BPM once in his entire career - Enrique has done it in three of the Spurs' championship years, and that's not even counting the rest of his career.

Choke Paul is a playoff gag artist for sure, but Enrique chokes so hard on a regular basis that a new word needs to be invented for it, because "choke" doesn't go far enough.

The word choke is so overused in this era because of your #1 guy.

[cd98]

He was the third best player on the Spurs during those years. That makes him a 3rd banana. The fact that he scored vs a weak defensive team doesn't change that. The D'Antoni system you are praising didn't even bother with defense, Jalen Rose came out and said they didn't even discuss defensive strategy...'if we do our job, the offensive system will carry us to the win we don't have to worry about what the other team does' was D'Antoni's philosophy.



My 'Nash logic' doesn't apply to Manu and I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation for that. He came off the bench and played limited minutes (relative to other great players) during his prime. What similar handicap did Enrique had that affected his all-star/all-nba nods? Like I said if anything he benefitted from being the George Teague of Pop's system once Timmy/Manu aged and the Spurs started being more system reliant.



He had Kirby, Diwght, Pau and a broken down Nash in LA.

Where do I start? Tony was the finals MVP that year and you call him a third banana. That's clueless. He was dominant that whole post season. Manu coming off the bench is a distinction without a difference. He played starter minutes. He doesn't have a resume because MVPs and all NBA teams are popularity contests and Nash and the Suns were media darlings, just like the GSW and Curry are today. The Suns had great players but they were overrated bc of their popularity while Parker and Manu were underrated bc the media didn't like San Antonio. D'Antoni is a good coach and Pop has admitted to stealing things from him. While he may not be as good as Pop, he's still good and formidable. That Lakers team was past its prime. D'Antoni won with Suns players in their prime. Give Pop that Laker squad and he'd do no better.

[cd98]

I believe the Spurs would have still won the series, too, but let's not act like it's a given..if they win that series(which was a toss-up, at that point), they easily win the le and the narrative about Nash's career is completely different(as we always do with championships, unfortunately)..

Nash played well in that series, too, it's not like he let the Suns down..

I don't disagree. Nash was a good, tough player but he was also overrated. He's the weakest MVP in the history of NBA basketball and it should've gone to Duncan at least one of those years but the media hated Duncan.

[cd98]

Choke Paul has had a negative postseason BPM once in his entire career - Enrique has done it in three of the Spurs' championship years, and that's not even counting the rest of his career.

Choke Paul is a playoff gag artist for sure, but Enrique chokes so hard on a regular basis that a new word needs to be invented for it, because "choke" doesn't go far enough.

I love how you claim that an NBA finals MVP is a choker. Such nonsense. Parker has been a great player throughout his long career and know nothings that cite advanced stats that they don't understand that only tell part of the story are why no one will take you seriously.

[exstatic]

A family member (who doesn't keep up with bball). Was asking me about old players like Duncan, Shaq, etc. I told him that Nash retires a couple years ago. Had no idea he was playing.

He's played a total of 65 games in 3 years and none at all this year.

[timtonymanu]

The stats are there. You guys can continue ignoring them and give the usual "you don't know basketball" response.

I just hope Parker is ready for the playoffs.

[FkLA]

Where do I start? Tony was the finals MVP that year and you call him a third banana. That's clueless. He was dominant that whole post season. Manu coming off the bench is a distinction without a difference. He played starter minutes. He doesn't have a resume because MVPs and all NBA teams are popularity contests and Nash and the Suns were media darlings, just like the GSW and Curry are today. The Suns had great players but they were overrated bc of their popularity while Parker and Manu were underrated bc the media didn't like San Antonio. D'Antoni is a good coach and Pop has admitted to stealing things from him. While he may not be as good as Pop, he's still good and formidable. That Lakers team was past its prime. D'Antoni won with Suns players in their prime. Give Pop that Laker squad and he'd do no better.

smh you're such a homer, keep thinking the large majority of people give Nash the nod simply bc the media didn't like the Spurs

[Tuddy]

The negative BPM in 2003 & 2005 was because he wasn't a 'star yet - no jump shot. He was from 2006-2013.

[Clipper Nation]

I love how you claim that an NBA finals MVP is a choker. Such nonsense.

[cd98]

Yeah, except he scored all over Nash and Williams in the previous two series as well. And even Lebron tried to guard him in that series to no avail.

[cd98]

smh you're such a homer, keep thinking the large majority of people give Nash the nod simply bc the media didn't like the Spurs

Its true...just like Curry is a great shooter but no where near the best player in the NBA, but the media will vote him first team. I'm not a homer, but you keep believing what ESPN tells you.

[unleashbaynes]

Choke Paul has had a negative postseason BPM once in his entire career - Enrique has done it in three of the Spurs' championship years, and that's not even counting the rest of his career.

Choke Paul is a playoff gag artist for sure, but Enrique chokes so hard on a regular basis that a new word needs to be invented for it, because "choke" doesn't go far enough.

Tbh I'd rather be the guy who got it done when nobody thought he could than be the one who never did when everyone knew he should.

That makes 2/5 lebron a choker by your standards, guy. You sound like grey spurfan if it weren't for player x choking every year we'd have 9 les

[FromWayDowntown]

Some Spurs fans' hatred of Tony Parker still amazes me.