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Most of GS losses came against teams with above average bigs. Bulls,Clips, Spurs, Grizz. This Green can guard anyone is nonsense. Maybe scrub bigs but not above average.
Spurs just happen to be one of the two teams that beat them at their home court.
Most of GS losses came against teams with above average bigs. Bulls,Clips, Spurs, Grizz. This Green can guard anyone is nonsense. Maybe scrub bigs but not above average.
I know that. Rob was saying that the Spurs were essentially locks in 6 games over GS. That would require 2 road wins (unless the Spurs go 3-0 at home). Its far from the certain he makes it sound.
Green has had success defending bigger players like Blake. he'd probably check Splitter, who isn't really a post scorer anyway.
at the same time, green could be a problem on the other side
We did lose to the Bulls, Clippers (twice) the Grizzlies (twice), and the Warriors 6 losses to those teams. Thats with Duncan and Splitter
to be fair we've had plenty of injuries and have been "off" the entire season.
regular season accomplishments? having 3 elite defenders isn't really a regular season accomplishment. We are posting here in a thread about playoff seeding which is based off regular season records.
iirc gs defense has been tops the past few seasons and didn't translate to post season success.
Sure but mentioning the Warriors losses isn't an indictment on how good or bad they are. Green is a great defender. His height is pretty irrelevant.
not my point at all. point is their losses came against teams who play big. there is a trend there. spurs losses are irrelevant. spurs are defending champs and can play big/small or pretty much any style of ball.
14-15-1st D Rtg, 1st O Rtg
13-14-3rd D Rtg, 12th O Rtg (lost in 7 games without Bogut, their best defender to the Clippers)
12-13-13th D Rtg, 10th O Rtg (went to the semi-Finals, blew game 1, still won 2 games in that series with David Lee playing a handful of minutes)
Their offensive has drastically improved to match their big improvement on defense from the 12-13 season to the 13-14. Its similar to the Spurs big jump on defense from the 12-13 to 13-14 season (where they went from 13th to 3rd and went from losing to OKC in the WCF to making the finals)
teams with top 5 on one and top 10 on the other historically speaking, have deep playoff runs. The Spurs have been 3rd in defense the past two seasons and went to the Finals back to back years.
postseason success for any top team is largely based on health Lee hurt his hip and wasn't a factor when we played them and Bogut missed the entire playoffs last season. When Ginobili broke his arm and then we played the Grizzlies in the first round it was less that we couldn't beat them and more that injuries played a part in the loss. Ginobili missed the 09 playoffs and we lost in 5 to the Mavs.
Post All Star Break Records (As of 3/24/15)
Eastern Conference
Cleveland-13-4
Atlanta-10-6
Miami-10-7
Bulls-9-9
Wizards-7-10
Raptors-6-11
Western Conference
Warriors-15-4
Thunder-11-5
Rockets-11-5
Clippers-11-6
Spurs-10-6
Grizzlies-10-7
Hornets-10-7
Portland-8-6
Mavs-8-7
If healthy, I would take GSW against the entire field in the West, except for the fact that we match up with them so well. With the Spurs in the mix it's definitely a more open race, but I don't see anyone beating the Warriors this year except for the Spurs or the Cavs. Even a fully healthy OKC team wouldn't have any answers for the Warriors offense, and they have the weapons on D to give OKC a lot of problems.
I'm not sue the dubs will be tougher than Memphis to get out of the West this season...
they arguably play better without lee. so i don't think he would of been much of a factor. nonetheless i don't see them beating the spurs. do you really think they're going from 1st round exit to the finals in 1 season? not impossible but i doubt it. relying on the 3 is also asking for postseason failure imo. sure some teams shoot the 3 well throughout deep runs but it doesn't happen often iirc.
I think you're underestimating how well a healthy OKC can play, tbh.
Rob I have to agree with you on this one; I keep thinking about the last time we met them in the playoffs the Splash Brothers went SuperNova early in the series but the Spurs figured them out after that Manu dagger in a game we really shouldn't have won.
I mean, sure they're a threat and they got better but Spurs are damn near unbeatable when they play at the top of their game.
I agree with this
The Warriors are actually perfectly built to play either big or small. Barnes played the backup 4 (when Lee was out with an injury) and Green has played the 3 and is the starting 4. Iggy is the tallest wing and can play 4 as well but plays the 2 and 3 primarily.
Length, versatility and agility is extremely important in today's NBA. The Heat , after losing to the Mavs in the Finals, rebuilt their defense. The began playing Lebron at the 4 and Bosh at Center with Battier & Wade.
during that stretch of 3 years:
4th,
7th,
11th
in D Rtg
The Warriors have:
Livingston-6'7-PG
Thompson-6'7-SG
Green-6'7-SF/PF
Barnes-6'8-SF/PF
Igguadala-6'9-SG/SF
Speights-6'10-PF/C
Lee-6'10-PF
Bogut-7'0 (7'7 Wingspan)-C
they have 5 rotation wings that are at least 6'7 (The Spurs have 3, Green-6'6, Ginobili 6'6 & Leonard-6'7 ) Memphis has (Allen 6'6, Carter 6'7, & Green 6'9) The Clippers have 2 (Barnes-6'7 and Crawford 6'6)
they don't have traditional height this isn't the '90s its not nearly as big of an issue.
Memphis really only have 3 bigs and one of which is 6'9 (2 inches taller than Draymond Green)
neither do the Spurs, after Duncan and Splitter
If Randolph can't cover the Parker/Bonner or Manu/Diaw pick and pop how is he going to cover it with Curry/Green. Memphis matches up poorly with both Golden State and San Antonio.
Alot depends on our outside shooting, which has been sketchy at times this season. If Diaw can play like he did against OKC last season and Parker can get into the paint and create then we have a solid chance. But I don't expect a lot from Duncan with Bogut presence. So I don't think we will get alot of points in the paint.
Different team. Much better offensively and defensively Green is a better fit on both sides of the ball and that team didn't have Iggy and Livingston. Not to mention Thompson was in his seconds season and not averaging 22 ppg.
Westbrook would either have to cover Curry or Thompson (who is 5 inches taller and can post him up) Ibaka is a jump shooter at this point, Green should be able cover him. Boguts length and size will probably limit Kantor. Waiters has been trash, Morrow is an awful defender. Roberson is Tony Allen level-bad shooting the ball (he's actually air balled open 3's before). The Warriors can switch screen on Westbrook to keep him in front of them.
Durant would be checked by Iggy or Green (both great defenders as I've mentioned)
Its probably GSW in 5 with the current Thunder team. Maybe 6 for GSW if OKC was healthy.
Kawhi seems to routinely keep Klay quiet. I don't worry about him as much. Green is definitely better, he and Diaw would be an interesting battle. Diaw was a huge mismatch for them in our first meeting, Barnes couldn't hang with him in the post.
Iggy & Livingston are solid additions as well. Their bench, like ours is definitely capable of making big things happen.
We dont even know if they or the Spurs will make out of the 1st round
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