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Good call tbh, shot 45.1% last year.
It will be interesting to see how it's done, though you struck such a template when you let Nash go. Rondo will not go as quietly. He'll raise some .
Good call tbh, shot 45.1% last year.
The Mavs I think would still be willing at this point to have Rondo back at a certain price provided he doesn't hamstring their flexibility to make other moves. It's been real up and down with him overall, but the Kidd trade looked like a disaster after our first foray into the playoffs with him. And we see how that turned out.
But I think Rondo will be a Laker because Kobe and Fredo Buss have a hard-on for him and will give him the contract Dallas won't. Cuban has a number in mind for Rondo and won't exceed it.
Yeah, Dirk has not been his superstar self this year. He's not their best player, and I think their best five-man unit is probably Rondo, Monta, Parsons, Aminu and Tyson. Father Time looks to have caught up with him.
Um, that's quite a stretch there. He's not been himself, but the team clearly looks better on the court with his general presence, simply because of the spacing and defensive attention he still draws.
Thing is, this team's status as a true contender relies on him still being a high level star player. Some night he looks like his old self and the formula works and they beat the Clippers by 30...but he can't carry a team night to night like he used to, and the supporting cast is good but not quite good enough to fill in the gaps. In the East, though, they'd probably be the third seed.
Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..
Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:
2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)
Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..
I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..
Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable
Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting
This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..
I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so ing terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..
It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..
Though if he were never born I'd have 17 and they'd have the 16.Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..
Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:
2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)
Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..
I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..
Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable
Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting
This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..
I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so ing terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..
It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..
Kidd's career would've ended a few years earlier than it did if he hadn't learned how to shoot threes. Rondo is 29 and Kidd was in his late thirties. I agree with you, I think Rondo is what he is at this point, I don't expect him to magically transform his game, but I think there are worse options out there at PG.Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..
Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:
2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)
Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..
I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..
Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable
Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting
This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..
I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so ing terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..
It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..
The Mavs have this faith in their ability to get the most out of players. I hope he does go to the Lakers and they get outbid, but the Mavs have pursued this strategy for years of acquiring talent on the cheap and trying to rehabilitate it. Jason Terry looked like a high-volume chucker on Atlanta and with Dallas he ended up being the #2 scoring option on a le team. Kidd looked terrible his first half season and ended up being a key contributor to a championship. Last night notwithstanding, Monta Ellis in his two years here has actually looked like a more complete player. Tyson Chandler was pretty much an injury-prone serviceable big at best before he came here the first time. I don't remember Aminu doing anything of note for New Orleans. They brought Rondo in mid-season without benefit of a training camp together in the midst of one of the most brutal conferences in years.
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I agree that the Mavs are one of the best organizations in the NBA for molding players, and the chemistry is off due to the timing of the acquisition, but ultimately, it's up to Rondo, and I'm not convinced that he can develop into a player that will thrive in today's game, physically and mentally..
He still wants to handle the ball at all times, he can't play off the ball, his shooting confidence is as low as it's ever been..physically, I'm not sure if a player with his freakish hands and arms can learn how to shoot effectively at his age, I believe it's something that has to be adjusted early on IMO(like Kawhi with the Spurs)..
Yeah and sometimes it doesn't work out. I'd rather they save their money and go after more of a two-way player. Dragic would've been perfect for this team. They brought in Collison and Mayo two years ago hoping they could turn them into key pieces and those moves didn't work out. I tend to see Rondo the same way you do, not quite as good as he was 3-4 years ago when those Celtics teams were still together. The game continues to evolve where spacing and shooting is at a premium. I don't think Kyle Korver is fundamentally better than he was 3-4 years ago but the impact of his shooting has changed. Rondo would've been a great player if his prime was in the 90's.
Not necessarily, let's rememebr the year they won it everyone was calling him the weak link and questioning if he was good enough. Those three hall of fakers plus prime Perkins would have probably won with any average point guard.
He also got benched for Eddie House..
Agree with a great chunk of this but two things you overstate ...Rondo is the most overrated player of this generation, and it isn't even close IMO..
Even in his prime, these were the Celtics offensive rankings since Rondo became a high-usage player:
2013: 24th
2012: 27th
2011: 18th
2010: 15th
2009: 6th(arguable)
Defensive-minded PGs with no offensive ability are liabilities in today's game, tbh..Rondo isn't nearly the same athlete as he was in his prime, too, and his offense has progressively declined..
I understand the Kidd comparison in theory, but if you look at the shooting numbers, as bad as Kidd's shooting was with the Mavs, he looks like Steph Curry compared to Rondo..
Kidd in 2011 regular season: 50% True Shooting, well below average
Playoffs: 56% True Shooting, a little above average, respectable
Rondo in the 2015 regular season: 43.7% True Shooting
This is also on a Mavs team that doesn't have prime Dirk or prime Chandler or even Terry for spacing, too..
I can't fathom why any non-tanking team would sign Rondo after this season, he's so ing terrible, tbh..it's so easy to gameplan against him, it's extremely difficult for a team to overcome 1 guy that is afraid to shoot at all times..he's even afraid of getting fouled, which is fatal for a guard..
It was fine in the grind-out, defensive era of slow and ugly possession basketball, but it doesn't work today where most of the players on the floor are 2-way players..
1. No, most of the players today are not two way players but I agree the best teams have less one way players are use those guys as specialists.
2. Although it was not my preferred style, there was some beauty in the old Knicks/Heat games or even the Spurs/Pistons finals (which was the 80's compared to Spurs/Nets) where defense was the primary focus.
I agree a PG that cannot hit FT's is my #1 pet peeve in hoops. if you cannot rely on your PG (usually your best ball-handler) to protect a lead late in games, by knocking down FT's how can you trust him with the ball in the playoffs? This is not Shaq who can beast you for 30-40 mins and then someone else can handle the ball late ..he is a PG!!!!
I pray the LAkers dont sign him to a big money deal ...
The Dallas media is indicating that Ellis has a problem with Parson's much higher salary - Monta does not like to talk when things are not going well for him as he does not trust the media. The other issue is Rondo playing like a rental player at times and looking elsewhere after the season. Rondo does not have a ton of sweat equity in the Mavericks and is not fond of the coach - he dog cussed him recently.
BTW - there is little or no buzz up here in Dallas about tonight's game with SA. I'm a little suprised.
Well by ting the bed with sub-kobe percentages every third game or so he is really making a case for that Max money!
Probably because at this point in the season the Spurs are doing their Spurs-y thing of starting to get their act together just in time for the playoffs, while it looks like other teams have figured out how to defend the Mavs: just go under the screens and let them shoot 43% from the floor.
Finally Mavs media is catching up..
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...close-the-show
Parsons is the team's best offensive player, not Dirk and certainly not chucker.. if you run Parsons/Dirk PNR with Harris and another shooter in the corner it's unstoppable.
You ungrateful little s are hilarious. Did you enjoy that 2011 le? Then sit back and follow the freakin recipe.
-Take 1 Dirk.
-Add an overrated "jack of all trades, master of none, suckass in the clutch" small forward (Howard, Butler, now Parsons).
-Add an undersized chucker who will take a never ending amount of stupid shots (Van Exel, Jet, now Monta).
-Throw in a smart PG who has a massive fundamental flaw that's almost impossible to overcome (Nash's D, Kidd's shooting, now Rondo's shooting).
-Toss in one scrub swingman who "plays hard" and is really a below average defender, but looks like Prime Artest compared to the rest of the team ( breath George, Antoine Wright, now Aminu)
-Finally sprinkle in an overpaid center whose best days are about a year after Dallas got them (Dampier, Haywood, now Tyson).
blend together and watch with disappointment until you fall assbackwards into a le. Then repeat.
It's that easy, fellas. As the Spurs go wasting their time "developing talent" and "building chemistry" we'll just go with what's worked like a charm for us.
Parsons has been heavily underrated and mis-utilized this season.
Solid Gold.
Only guys guaranteed to be back next year are Dirk, Parsons and probably Faton. (He's got a $3.5 mil player option; who would pay him more than that in free agency?) Devin is under contract and the only way he's gone is if they make a big trade and have to throw him in to make it work under the cap. I think they resign Tyson because of what he's meant to this franchise and also because centers that are actually good don't grow on trees. Rondo and Monta I'm not sure about, I think it comes down to if the price is right and they don't get outbid.
agree with Fin, Rondo would've been the 2nd coming of Payton if he played in the 90s. In today's game, however, you simply can't be an efficient point guard without a decent shooting hand, much less in the Mavs system. Rondo's D was what the Mavs FO wanted most, but this didn't work out either.
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