Lakers: Do people that dismiss players due to era watch basketball?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It'd be funny seeing Oscar in today's league where his stat-padding would get him crucified like it did Rondo.

Big O had a jumpshot. Poor comparison.

[apalisoc_9]

The regular pick up player in Toronto can probably dribble way better than 70 and 80's guards..

Watching the 60-80 and i;m wondering...WTF is this ?

hideous basketball.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Most guys aside of a select few had "NBA size" and athleticism to compete in today's games due to Eastern plyo training methods transforming sports worldwide. Chamberlain was one of very very few, but he wouldn't dominate in today's game at all.

He was bigger faster and stronger than Dwert. He was the same size and faster and stronger than Marc Gasol. Guys like Ibaka and Gobert he would take down low and shove them in the basket. Davis compares favorably to Kareem but is 3 inches shorter. He might out quick Wilt -I'm not sold though- but he wasn't keeping him out of the post either.

Frankly Wilt could finish over either shoulder with both hands. Who in the NBA today does that?

When you talk about basketball as it is played on the court these comparisons here always break down. It's good to spot the clueless s though.

[pgardn]

Wilt would be sent to the foul line and miss.
Russell could not shoot FTs either.

[apalisoc_9]

s in the 80's would creampie over a two hand dunk..

[lefty]

s in the 80's would creampie over a two hand dunk..

here we go

[apalisoc_9]

Jamal from across the street can do far more athletic dunks than these guys..

[pgardn]

s in the 80's would creampie over a two hand dunk..

What?

George Gervin STOOD under the basket with a ball in both hands and dunked both.
You are an idiot. Watch replays of Darnell Hillman.

Spud fggn Webb.
And shut the door on your way out...

[apalisoc_9]

a 180 dunk in the 70's was like having sex with your friends hot mother..

it was that bad...

People couldn't even dribble with their weak hands..\

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

What?

George Gervin STOOD under the basket with a ball in both hands and dunked both.
You are an idiot. Watch replays of Darnell Hillman.

Just ignore him. I'm trying to have a basketball discussion with people who actually know a thing or two.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Wilt would be sent to the foul line and miss.
Russell could not shoot FTs either.

Yeah, but he was 53% for his career. Not out of the norm for big men.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Wilt had some good games against Kareem towards the tail end of his career. Kareem held his own against a young Olaujuwon. Olaujuwon dominated a young Shaq. Based off of all this I think Wilt would have still been a great player in the modern era. He wouldn't have averaged 50 points a game but he would have averaged somewhere in the range of 20-30 points a game along with 10 plus rebounds. Wilt just like all great players had a huge drive to be successful which has to be factored in that due to his drive he would have still worked hard and done the things necessary to become a great player in this era.

This take is pretty on point IMO. People must look at the individual, not the era. Could you imagine LeBron in the 90s or 80s? imagine what Bird or Lambier would say about leaving the game with cramps
Easily works both ways.

[pgardn]

Yeah, but he was 53% for his career. Not out of the norm for big men.

Sorry that sucks.
The game is called Basketball.
A pro has a hard time making 1 out of 2... ?

Inexcusable.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Sorry that sucks.
The game is called Basketball.
A pro has a hard time making 1 out of 2... ?

Inexcusable.

Shaq wasn't much better, but he's considered an all-time great. Free throws were really a small part of the game back then. Players were more fundamentally sound and hand checks weren't prevalent, but weren't called. You can cherry pick free throws, but you can't dismiss positive qualities such as his freak athleticism, post game and rebounding, or blocks. Plus he was 7'1. Big men with natural size is such a big plus in today's game. The dude could easily touch the top of the backboard. That won D12 a dunk contest .

[Malik Hairston]

players that couldn't dribble a basketball without looking down
mid-range jump shots
terrible spacing
over a quarter of the league was White Americans
Bill Russell 43% from the field
tape delay
windmill dunks were mind-blowing
John Starks being the #1 option on a team that was Dad Killer's biggest threat
big men with no jump shots
only a handful of guards could shoot 3-pointers effectively
Isoball
antiquated style of play

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

players that couldn't dribble a basketball without looking down..

Real talk bro, I liked your first post in here. Why don't you actually try to debate your opinion. You generally seem to know about ball, so why don't you put that to use.

[baseline bum]

This take is pretty on point IMO. People must look at the individual, not the era. Could you imagine LeBron in the 90s or 80s? imagine what Bird or Lambier would say about leaving the game with cramps
Easily works both ways.

Remember when that got Duncan had cramps in OT of a Game 7 and got owned by Desagana Diop in the period?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wilt would be sent to the foul line and miss.
Russell could not shoot FTs either.

1.06 points per possession isn't bad. I get the impression that the effect of poor free throw shooting is overstated. I give credence to the notion of flow of the offense and getting in a players head but I see those as problems that can be managed and overcome.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Remember when that got Duncan had cramps in OT of a Game 7 and got owned by Desagana Diop in the period?

Yes, I do. But I think you're missing the point. It's easy to dismiss a player due to the era they are in. But it can work both ways. It seems like people dismiss players solely to prop up their teams star, or do so without really watching or analyzing players games.

Its easy to say a player wasn't good because he has inflated stats. But if you look at someone's game, like Oscar's unstoppable 20 foot pull-up, on top of players that have played in multiple eras praising them, it really makes a compelling argument that they can play in today's game and strive.

[Clipper Nation]

Remember when that got Duncan had cramps in OT of a Game 7 and got owned by Desagana Diop in the period?

Or when DK begged out of Game 5 of the 1997 Finals with cramps?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Or when DK begged out of Game 5 of the 1997 Finals with cramps?

That's not really relevant because in my post I was referring to players in the 80's. When MJ played in the 80's those two players gave him a very difficult time, too. So in reality you are sort of solidifying my point.

[baseline bum]

Yes, I do. But I think you're missing the point. It's easy to dismiss a player due to the era they are in. But it can work both ways. It seems like people dismiss players solely to prop up their teams star, or do so without really watching or analyzing players games.

Its easy to say a player wasn't good because he has inflated stats. But if you look at someone's game, like Oscar's unstoppable 20 foot pull-up, on top of players that have played in multiple eras praising them, it really makes a compelling argument that they can play in today's game and strive.

Your point seemed to be that LeBon is a pussy because Spoelstra held him out of a game he tried to check back into when he was incapable of walking.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Your point seemed to be that LeBon is a pussy because Spoelstra held him out of a game he tried to check back into when he was incapable of walking.

I just told you my point.

[Malik Hairston]

In all honesty, all bias aside, look at this ing dude dribbling a basketball..can barely use his off-hand, has to back up his opponent against pressure since he can't use his handles to get by him, the ball is way too high..Jesus Christ, this dude was the ing top PG of his era..he literally dribbles worse than Danny Green..

My 16-year old cousin actually asked me about Oscar Robertson once, and I literally had to password-block his computer from searching the keywords "Oscar" and "Robertson"..as a die-hard basketball fan, I'm embarrassed to discuss some of these dudes with the younger generation, I'm trying to prevent him from watching their tapes, tbh..I'll let him stick with the narrative and stats of guys like Oscar and Wilt, and the lore of Bill Russell's rings, rather than actually allowing him to watch them play, which will hurt his spirit..

[Malik Hairston]

I did the same for the keywords "John" "Starks", btw..I can't let the young fam find out that he was Dad Killer's main rival in the Eastern Conference, it would break them, tbh..