Iran agrees to nuclear framework

[SupremeGuy]

Just because other countries have nukes doesn't mean we should just start letting every crazy country have them, tbh.

[Trill Clinton]

is not up to us to decide who does or doesn't get to have a nuclear program. no country should have a moral or legal authority to refuse iran the right to nukes. america is no threat to nuclear weapons from iran. working with them and keeping close tabs on their enrichment program is in best interest to america and the world. the last thing we need is another failed state in the middle east.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sounds wonderful. I read the complete US version too.

Anyone in here want to put some money down that the final deal is really that strict when it's signed?

I'll match $100 bets from anyone that wants to play. I say it's watered down extensively and economic sanctions will be lifted gradually with some lifted just for signing.

That's easy money.

And here we have brokiller lacking articulation and intellecct and trying to cover it up with bluster.

He is continuing to throw against the way but now with a bookie!

What a loser.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are a smart guy. You could obviously come up with some options if you thought about it. Additional sanctions, Building a coalition for military intervention, etc.

Not wanting a crazy ass country to have weapons of mass destruction =/= wanting war

It does when it involves action of a military coalition. What dumb doesn't understand is that our NATO allies are more for this then we are.

[CosmicCowboy]

at fuzzyboo calling anyone else a dumb .

[FuzzyLumpkins]

at fuzzyboo calling anyone else a dumb .

Brokiller, are you going to acknowledge teh cause of me saying your were a dumb ? Specifically that NATO leadership wants this more than the US does yet you present a counterplan of a military coalition? with who? you?

Or are you going to bluster on one hand to ignore and pretend that all the other people in the thread don't note my point too. You are going to need more than a throw away line for that, dumb .

Youre old, self important, and never going to change. When I speak against you it's not for your benefit. You don't seem to have grasped that concept.

[CosmicCowboy]

Have you even followed these negotiations? France and Germany weren't exactly excited about the concessions. Don't try to pretend our NATO allies forced the us to capitulate.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Have you even followed these negotiations? France and Germany weren't exactly excited about the concessions. Don't try to pretend our NATO allies forced the us to capitulate.

What are they supposed to cheer negotiating concessions? I am talking about the driving force behind getting these negotiations done. The French and German foreign ministers are driving this car just as much or more as we do.

You are the one asserting a military coalition. Where you going to go for Allies? What do you think the foreign ministers are going to respond to that kind of saber rattling? Frankly that is that North Korea does and we accuse Iran of doing.

Follow the negotiations? How about you demonstrate a modi of understanding on how foreign policy works.

[CosmicCowboy]

France and German and russian delegations left the negotiations in disgust when it became obvious that Obama and Kerry were determined to give the store away. Do you live under a rock?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

France and German and russian delegations left the negotiations in disgust when it became obvious that Obama and Kerry were determined to give the store away. Do you live under a rock?

So you have nothing but a partisan narrative. Gotcha. We can see you for what you are now on this position, thanks.

and

[FuzzyLumpkins]

CC's version of 'following an issue' is AM radio, Fox News, and partisan blogs that he is too ashamed to source.

[CosmicCowboy]

As usual fuzzyboo is full of .

Partisan

Fuzzyboo just likes to ankle bite.

[CosmicCowboy]

Btw fuzzyboo...google is your friend if you want to educate yourself on what France, Germany, and Russia thought about the deal.

[ElNono]

Btw fuzzyboo...google is your friend if you want to educate yourself on what France, Germany, and Russia thought about the deal.

They signed off on it, didn't they?

[CosmicCowboy]

They signed off on it, didn't they?

Doesn't mean they liked it. Like I said, Their feelings about the deal are pretty easy to find if you want to look for them.

[CosmicCowboy]

I am getting tired of pointing out the obvious and getting unanimously slammed for it in here. I don't mind having give and take conversations on the subject but am done with being attacked by belligerent, ignorant trolls like Fuzzy.

I am more than willing to exit this thread today and wait a few months to pull it back and say "I told you so".

[ElNono]

Doesn't mean they liked it. Like I said, Their feelings about the deal are pretty easy to find if you want to look for them.

Why would back up and sign off on a deal they didn't like? What's the running conspiracy here? Barry kidnapped their kids?

I'm sure there's a plethora of op'eds in many languages of people that didn't like the deal. That means absolutely nothing to the fact that the people in charge actually though it was good enough to sign off on it.

[ElNono]

I am getting tired of pointing out the obvious and getting unanimously slammed for it in here. I don't mind having give and take conversations on the subject but am done with being attacked by belligerent, ignorant trolls like Fuzzy.

I am more than willing to exit this thread today and wait a few months to pull it back and say "I told you so".

We just disagree what is "the obvious". The obvious is that Iran is a sovereign nation and they should do as they please within their borders.

The whole world police thingie is played out. Let Israel bomb the out of them if that's what they want to do. Let them hash it out. If there's anything clear about our involvement in that region, is that it's only a matter of time before they go all out at it, because the whole religion bull is over the top. If that ever becomes an actual treat to the US, then we'll deal with it, but until then, cordon the region and let them go at it.

[m>s]

Does anyone else not trust a single party to these negotiations? Not the US, not the sand s, not israel. I don't know who's Jewing who or what to root for.

[spursncowboys]

If they don't take the initial steps of turning over centrifuges and fissile material, there is a case for using force. Till then, put away the warmongering.

If funding proxy wars is a criterion, Saudi Arabia is much, much worse than Iran. Almost all Islamic terror is of Sunni origin, particularly based on the Wahabi-Salafi doctrine that is Saudi Arabia's biggest export after oil. Iran is Shia, and actually has taken some steps to combat ISIS. This is the reason Saudi Arabia is joining Israel in opposing this deal.

The American people have 2 options in terms of who to trust on this deal:
1. An international coalition comprising the US, the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China and most of the developed world backing them
2. A coalition of 3 parties:
- The Republican party which has a vested interest in not allowing a Democratic president to attain foreign policy success, not to mention the funding that the GOP gets from the US defense companies and oil firms.
- Netanyahua and Likud, who have been crying wolf about Iranian nukes for over 2 decades now
- the House of Said, which seeks to defeat Shia Islam

You all might hate Obama, but there is no way 2 is more credible than 1.

Not only is it oversimplified, but its wrongGermany and France are against them having nukes and have been complaining like the repubs that it's not a good deal and obama is giving up too much for too little. The coalition of people wanting the obama deal to go through are iran, china, and russia. great company

[spursncowboys]

I am getting tired of pointing out the obvious and getting unanimously slammed for it in here. I don't mind having give and take conversations on the subject but am done with being attacked by belligerent, ignorant trolls like Fuzzy.

I am more than willing to exit this thread today and wait a few months to pull it back and say "I told you so".

That's what people do when they have no logic, and their reason are what a kindergartner would come up with. Plus their talking heads havent given them their answer, because they're doing the same thing.

[spursncowboys]

They signed off on it, didn't they?

No. from the beginning germany and france have been saying they should be apart of the negotiations and that obama's deal is too lenient

[Th'Pusher]

No. from the beginning germany and france have been saying they should be apart of the negotiations and that obama's deal is too lenient

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am getting tired of pointing out the obvious and getting unanimously slammed for it in here. I don't mind having give and take conversations on the subject but am done with being attacked by belligerent, ignorant trolls like Fuzzy.

I am more than willing to exit this thread today and wait a few months to pull it back and say "I told you so".

I'm certainly belligerent but we both know you are full of . You bluster more than posit a damn thing. You spout pla udes intent on fixating on the president. It's what the Ailes media empire has been pimping for over 6 years now. One of the reasons why I completely lack respect for you is you are obviously just being their proxy on this board and yet you are coy about your sources. DIRECT QUOTES!

The Germans have been pushing this from the front. The GOP and the Israeli lobby have been very adamant about not negotiating before any of this began and the US delegation has been overshadowed by it the entire time despite Kerry's best efforts. It was Merkel and the German's that insisted and she has gotten all manner of attagirls for forging ahead. Then in the past week the French minister came back and that was when got done as evidenced by the agreements of the past few days.

I read Foreign Policy, the Economist, and the CSM every day. I don't need google, dimwit.

[ElNono]

No. from the beginning germany and france have been saying they should be apart of the negotiations and that obama's deal is too lenient

uh?

EU heavyweights Germany and France on Friday cautiously welcomed the framework nuclear agreement struck with Iran but Berlin's chief diplomat warned there was "no guarantee" it would ultimately succeed.

"It's good, but at the same time it's too early to celebrate. We laid the corner stone yesterday," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said following talks with his French and Polish counterparts in Wroclaw, Poland.

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/iran-nuclear.10lw