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NO, you assumed. you made all sorts of assumptions over a two letter word.
holy @ Antetokounmpo's hands...
NO, you assumed. you made all sorts of assumptions over a two letter word.
Interesting. Jordan's hands, while larger than the average wing and which game him advantage, just never seemed freakishly large.
Kawhi's just seem longer. Could be because Jordan has fat fingers.
Next time elaborate.
Huge hands never help with shooting, in any cir stance.
Jordan didn't develop a midrange shot well into his 5th or 6th year, and I'd be willing to bet his midrange shot percentage isn't as high as we all think it is. Jordan did a lot of damage off penetration in his early years and in the low post in his later years.
that or you just chose a bad picture
i think a lot of the hand size vs shooting numbers are just off because big handed dudes tend to be centers who never really worked on their jumpers in high school or AAU
It's usually because you inadvertently use your palm during the release of the shot, pushing the ball rather than stroking it (see how when Kawhi misses, it's often short and flat). Notice how Kawhi has to basically cradle the ball with his fingers during his shot setup to ensure a smooth, fingertip release. In the heat of the game, those extra movements (moving the ball from palm to fingers) give the defender a few microseconds to recover. A player with huge hands, knowing this, rushes the shot and doesn't stroke it optimally.that or you just chose a bad picture
i think a lot of the hand size vs shooting numbers are just off because big handed dudes tend to be centers who never really worked on their jumpers in high school or AAU
On the other hand (no pun), it's why players like Curry can have ultra quick releases while still retaining a solid, fingertip stroke.
Let's be clear: Scottie Pippen would be a max, numero uno player on most teams - then or now.
His burden was playing next to arguably the GOAT, and definitely the most celebrated of all-time.
I'd gladly accept Kawhi as the next Pippen. Dude was a beast when MJ retired, and very well could have had another ring if he had the Spurs supporting cast of 2015.
If the Spurs want to remain le contenders, they need to find a better scorer than Kawhi. If they want to be a mediocre team with an exciting player, he can score 30ppg.
This isn't a slight against Kawhi, either. It's a simple fact about how to construct a winning team.
you don't know anything about basketball..
Keep your to yourself.
The spurs will win this year with Kawhi as the number 1 offensive option and you can go ahead be a media fan somewhere else.
I think you're still missing the point of Spurs fans who would prefer Kawhi shoulder a little less offensive load, either through being a 2nd option or being the 1st option in a system that doesn't overuse any one player offensively (like now), so that he can have the necessary energy to dominate defensively.
No wing player in NBA history has ever been top tier elite on both ends for any significant length of time (and no, Jordan wasn't. See his Defensive +/- after 1992). Something has to give. I prefer what gives in this equation is Kawhi's offensive usage.
His defensive ability is a once-in-a-generation type thing. Best wing defender since Pippen right now. Players who can score 20-25 points per game aren't.
The Spurs are always ahead of the rest of the league, and Kawhi himself understands how to play in an elite system, he has done it since he entered the league..it has been a work in progress, but the team understands how to play around him, and he understands how to play the "Spurs way"..
As long as Pop is coaching, this team won't rely on a conventional, old-style system of relying heavily on 1 player to carry the offense like the Rockets, tbh..
Even during this current explosion from Kawhi, it hasn't stopped the Spurs from having Manu facilitate, Diaw exploiting mismatches, etc..
The best thing a young star can learn at an early age is how to play in a system, especially as the NBA continues to divert from the ISO-ball that plagued the league in the 90s and 2000s..
What the ?This guy...
I'm talking about future seasons in which the Spurs are rebuilding around Kawhi and Green. My point is simply that, moving forward, they will need to find another scorer to compliment those two. Kawhi will be the all-around threat that he is, not merely a scorer.
No. I responded to his re take that the spurs need a better offensive player. The spurs didn't need a better offensive player in games 3,4 and 5 last i checked.
I'm all for having more offensive firepower, but it doesn't have to be an offensive elite..The spurs just need another guy that can score 15ppg on a consistent basis..
kawhi 18-22PPG
Some other guy hovering around 15PPG
I do still believe that Tony can still put up efficient 13PPG numbers
Diaw
Splitter
Green can all score double digits.
The spurs don't need another offensive elite..Leonard scoring 20ppg is enough.
The system will be the player that will be the number 1 option.
No, you specifically said the spurs needed a better offensive option than Kawhi to win..That's re ed because the spurs didn't need one last year and they don't look like they need one this year either.What the ?
I'm talking about future seasons in which the Spurs are rebuilding around Kawhi and Green. My point is simply that, moving forward, they will need to find another scorer to compliment those two. Kawhi will be the all-around threat that he is, not merely a scorer.
My last response to a media generated fan.
I was actually talking about further into the future when all of those guys (except Green) are gone.
Furthermore, my point was that they will need someone who focuses more on scoring, so that Kawhi can remain the defensive monster that he is. You know, the whole point of this thread?
That means Kawhi will have to up his scoring (and usage) to 25ppg+. Duncan and Manu are a foot out the door into retirement. Parker's offense comes and goes (and how long before Parker just totally declines and washes up?). And Green is an off ball player who relies on others to create for him. I agree that's all we need if the Spurs can find replacements for the Big 3, but it's more than likely we'll have to court a high profile FA at some point who can average 20ppg, since it's really tough to build a "complete" team where every player is an offensive threat (like the team we have now), especially considering the egos of NBA players.
See, the word "remain" indicated that I was referring to the future.
apalisoc pretty sinsitive ITT
They did in certain series in which Kawhi had to work harder on defense, like against OKC, where he had to guard both Durant and Westbrook at times.
And we can't keep appealing to games 3-5 of last year's Finals. Those 3 games from Kawhi were historically good. All time great good. The only reason his "per game" stats weren't Jordan gaudy is because each game was a blowout and he sat for long stretches during the 4th.
I hope it's a sign of things to come, but we can't count on it being the norm since very few players have ever performed that well in an NBA Finals.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 04-07-2015 at 02:55 AM.
Not really.
15ppg is just a ballpark. I also made a thread a few months ago saying that Tiago is ready for the extra 2 or 3 PPG.
I really hate Gasol because I think this team needs a scoring guard going forward. I understand that tony will probably decline even more next year, but if he stays around 12-14PPG during his three year deal, that's still pretty darn good in a spurs system...I'm of the minority that think getting a high end bench scorer should be a bigger priority than a Gasol type of player. The Guards and the wings are the blood of this system..Would be nixe to have a gasol, but I wouldn't care much about him..
If horford is easier and cheaper..Go for him. I'm not a huge fan of Horford, but i admire his willingness to be a team player.
The spurs will never get a huge profile FA so erase that idea. Just build around Kawhi and get good scorers.
The system is the 2nd superstar here...
So pretty much everyone agrees that forcing Kawhi into a LBJ or KD role will likely result in a less effecient Kawhi on offense and a tired Kawhi on defense. Don't really know what everyone is arguing about.
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