But Von Braun (funny enough, of British and French descent) was the man.
"to us, Hitler was still only a pompous fool with a Charlie Chaplin moustache"
- Werner Von Braun
Almost doesn't count. The germans made the jet engine an actual reality. What good is a non operational jet engine? I also have a non operational time machine.
"Whittle's engines were developed some years earlier than those of Germany's Dr. Hans von Ohainwho was the designer of the first operational jet engine.[2]"
But your non-operational time machine isn't feasible. Whittle's designs were technically solid and only had to be built. And when they were (which was only months after the German prototype), they significantly outperformed the German designs.
German "engineering."The low-grade alloy production versions of the Junkers Jumo 004, designed by Dr. Anselm Franz, would typically last only 10–25 hours (longer with an experienced pilot) before burning out, and sometimes exploded on their first startup. Whittle's designs were more basic, with centrifugal compressors rather than the more complicated axial designs.
In a conversation with Whittle after the war, Von Ohain stated[44] that "If you had been given the money you would have been six years ahead of us. If Hitler or Goering had heard that there is a man in England who flies 500mph in a small experimental plane and that it is coming into development, it is likely that World War II would not have come into being"
>operational
>non operational
i choose #1
some britcucks sayinghe has some fancy design (but for some reason can't put it into practice) is the same as me and my time machine design. I'll keep living in reality Kiddo you can pretend all you want, you've done a lot of fantasizing ITT.
People complain about the Luftwaffe but it took two years for the U.S. To get better planes out.when the war started Germany had undoubtedly the best planes. But once war starts you got to produce planes more than you advance the designs. So Germany lost their air advantage.
The one thing Germany never had though was a heavy Bomber.
Military air technology at the time though, hadn't established that heavy bombers were good strategy. They are slow and easy to shoot down.
The U.S. made bombers that flew high and ultimately fast enough to be useful. It's not Germany's fault they bet wrong on bombers.
Anyway, Germany has had pretty good culture throughout history. Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner.
Germany broke Rome's defilement of Christianity. If it weren't for Germans it would have been the pope ordering genocide. It's not like popes were above killing Jews. And Spain too, full of pro pope sociopaths. Stalin, was also crazy and genocidal. You show me a European leader who didn't commit genocide or colonial raping and I'll show you a loser.
Germany made some world class beer.
It just sucks that their politicians didn't know when to fold. I mean look at today, who runs Europe? Germany. Exactly the same point we'd be in.
Yeah, the reality that German designs were garbage and blew up on startup. And following your re ed "operational" logic, I guess we can go ahead and credit the US for inventing stealth since we were the first ones to build a fully functional stealth aircraft. But everyone with a brain understands the Nazis pioneered stealth aircraft since their designs were technically watertight. As were Whittle's. Your idiotic time machine analogy is false, since you can't even theorize a working time machine.
Messer s got rocked by Spitfires and then by Mustangs (which escorted those bombers). And then, as I stated earlier, their jet aircraft designs were massively inferior to those of the Brits. The only reason anyone lauds Nazi Aerospace tech to this day is because of all the fanciful drawings and research the allies found during Paperclip. Most were utter lunacy, but a few pieces of the Nazis threw against the wall wound up sticking, like the Horton Ho.
And I'd say Russia basically runs Europe, considering the barrel they have the EU bent over given that they are the continent's main oil supplier. It's why Merkel just sits there like a good little every time she meets up with Putin, who trolls the out of her bringing his rottweilers along.
I can though, and I'm going to use it to go back in time and alter ww2. Probably stop on the way back and slap your mother before she lets your father get it in too.
i don't feel like arguing with you because you're ultra OCD and like to lie a lot and jump to false conclusions
The best thing you could do for Nazi era Germany is to exterminate all the "pure bred Germans" (if such a thing even exists, given all the raping the Romans did) and let the Jews run the country, who were obviously far more intelligent and capable than the Barbaric natives.
False conclusions about what? Everything I'm telling you is do ented fact.
m<s running away scared from his own thread.
midnightpulp
He's a good dude. I'll play along and debate his persona once-in-a-while.
spitfires were short range aircraft. The Germans had to send long range bombers to Britain. The BF109 was superior to the spitfire. The battle over Britain was German fighters and the end of their fuel range and slow fighter bombers.
It wasn't a fair fight. Germany overreached. The only way to defeat Britain would be heavy bombing and land campaign. Germany did not develop the heavy bomber due to lack of strategy. They did not invade b/c it would have been too tough.
The p-51 mustang was developed during the war. It did not exist in 1939. The US pulled a minor miracle in ramping up production of the p-51 and upgrading the p-47. And the US had heavy bombers too.
The Germans upgraded their planes too.but the US had better engines and armament for the most part. Germany absolutely gets credit for deploying jet aircraft first. They were not fully effective due to pilot scarcity, fuel scarcity, limited production, and tactical mistakes.
The allied jet aircraft were not deployed except as spy planes. There were very few in air defeats of the 262. Most occurred during take off or destroyed on the ground.
The technology of ww2 was amazing. It held on for 50 years at least. WE are just now changing warfare to computer driven and executed battle.
Russia does not run europe. That's like saying china runs the US cause they have our debt.
Russia is a dieing country that going to be overrun by Jihad in 10-20 years. Economic decline, population declines, and a long list of historical enemies are going to totally rock Russia. It's going to be bloody and sad.
You're dumb, have you already forgotten the most recent Crimea annexation, scrah?
a handy thing to keep in mind with things like military technology is to imagine our current technological level and add 30 years to it, at the very least. if the nazis were vastly ahead of their time in a resource scarce, highly pressured 1944s germany imagine what them and their students accomplished in a resource rich lab in the USA or USSR.
And the Messer s escorted those bombers, which Spitfire pilots mopped up allowing the Hurricanes to feast on the slow bombers. The Messer was perhaps a better fighter on paper, but it seems German pilots couldn't handle any sort of competent enemy pilot other than badly trained Soviet pilots.
Which is an example of their idiocy. So no disagreement there.It wasn't a fair fight. Germany overreached. The only way to defeat Britain would be heavy bombing and land campaign. Germany did not develop the heavy bomber due to lack of strategy. They did not invade b/c it would have been too tough.
I didn't say it existed in 1939. Just that Mustang pilots were able to effectively fend off German interceptors when they were escorting B-17s.The p-51 mustang was developed during the war. It did not exist in 1939. The US pulled a minor miracle in ramping up production of the p-51 and upgrading the p-47. And the US had heavy bombers too.
And bad design. Whittle's designs were far better and more efficient than the German designs, and he also designed his prototypes far earlier than when the Germans began work on their jet engine designs. The only reason the Brits didn't have a squadron of jet fighters in 1935 (Whittle proposed his design in 1930) is because he could never get funding.The Germans upgraded their planes too.but the US had better engines and armament for the most part. Germany absolutely gets credit for deploying jet aircraft first. They were not fully effective due to pilot scarcity, fuel scarcity, limited production, and tactical mistakes.
Well yeah, because they "padded their stats" so to speak against the Soviets. Again, the second they face a competent opponent, they were handed their asses.The allied jet aircraft were not deployed except as spy planes. There were very few in air defeats of the 262. Most occurred during take off or destroyed on the ground.
It was. But all the major powers contributed pretty much equally to military technology leading up and during World War II. Technological breakthroughs rarely happen in a vacuum. Even the famed German Rocket Scientists (Von Braun, etc) were highly influenced by the work of American Physicist Robert Goddard (built the first liquid fueled rocket). In fact, Goddard essentially built a prototype V2 a decade before the actual V2 was realized. But the depression curbed his funding to go forward.The technology of ww2 was amazing. It held on for 50 years at least. WE are just now changing warfare to computer driven and executed battle.
At the time, Germany was highly interested in American physicist Robert H. Goddard's research. Before 1939, German engineers and scientists occasionally contacted Goddard directly with technical questions.[7] Von Braun used Goddard's plans from various journals and incorporated them into the building of the Aggregat (A) series of rockets,[7] named for the German for mechanism or mechanical system.[9]
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Fwiw, I'm not a master racer. I just like airplanes. And history. And I hate Stalin.
M>s......Are you watching the master singers of Nuremburg right now on pbs Sunday at the MET? German culture at it's finest! The singing, the story, the subtle digs at Germany's enemies, and the triumph of he German warrior poet. Omg so good!
Honestly, after living in San Diego: my first time in Germany as adult [2006]- Hanover was an awakening. I realized USA
- was inefficient
- was wasteful
- was illogical
- was ghetto
- was not the Freeist
- was not where I wanna raise family
Then we went to Hamburg, Frankfurt, München and Berlin
FYI, my sister teaches at the Humboldt University (after ditching SDSU) and is raising a Berliner
Berlin is my favorite place in the World. My plan is to get a programming job there. Hopefully meet a Polish girl (otherwise go to) and raise a family in Warsaw (whoa) but I'd settle for Wroclaw. Krakow or Gdasnk would be epic
While my American friends are committing to homes and setting roots (Age 31) my Life is just beginning. I will not spend my life in one spot. I am trilingual and have a European passport. I've always been the type that is extrovert and needed 'the rush'. This lifestyle is ideal for me. Ups and Downs.
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Haha just trying to make Spurstalk Nazi trolls more well rounded. Good for you. Europe is wonderful unless it's politics. Less poor people. More government care. Harder to get rich but only assholes get rich in America. Most people just want basic needs and material wealth. America will give you that, but it's easy to find yourself too poor in America, too stressed, too conservative, and too dumb.
It's amazing.us had a huge advantage coming off ww,2 on economic size..now 70 years later were creating a new median working class that's poorer than ever. We're still finding Jim crow everywhere we care to look. Ok that's enough for now. But good to anyone who can live free without becoming an economic wage slave
Ya, IMO
- we enjoyed the biggest economic boom of the next few hundred years
- we witnessed the climax of the USA empire
If everyone will be experiencing downturns, I might as well do it with my people. In simplest terms, Europeans police themselves. I like that equality feeling. Of course it works when you like/respect your fellow citizens
I believe Americans (golden generation) got greedy. Those advantages post WW2 were unsustainable. Yet they made chooses to prolong it at any costs (Credit), while generations in other nations (higher Nationalism) committed for the long haul. What was once my father (Tech schooled Engineer) immigrant from Eastern Europe (Cold War) is now 3rd Worlders. Perfect for cheap labor but the combination of declining K-12 education is a bad recipe. USA is now a one-trick pony but that trick: IT, is the #1 money maker going forward.
Last edited by Infinite_limit; 04-12-2015 at 05:28 PM.
Germans, poles and amuricans (at the least the wasp) are from the same , savage barbarians. Most of the White amuricans are anglo-saxon. Please es.
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