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    coffee is for closers Infinite_limit's Avatar
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    Nothing he did merited getting shot in the back multiple times.
    Will the video stop countless other individuals from evading arrest?

    ^ It was worth it. Streets are safer

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    Will the video stop countless other individuals from evading arrest?
    No.

    ^ It was worth it. Streets are safer
    From what? Deadbeat dads?

    Now that kid will never get any support.

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    Your last sentence is hindsight.

    All we/Officer know is a guy evading arrest during a traffic stop. We don't know if he has a knife or gun. He could have robbed a car and used it as a weapon. You have to assume the worst when an individual runs from the scene leaving behind his passenger.
    Fleeing the scene does not justify the use of deadly force (a lot more violent criminals flee from arrest and are never shot). It is not how the law works. When the officer went back to his squad car (dash cam video) he more than likely was radioing the station at which point he probably learned the perp had a warrant for his arrest for unpaid child support. That is probably why the perp ran the first time. Now if the officer felt the perp had a weapon as you said, he would have established probable cause and the courts would have ruled in his favor (probably the reason he planted the taser after he shot the perp) but because there is video that the perp never attempted to place the officer or public in danger he was not justified to use deadly force. This is a case where two wrongs don't make a right. Unfortunately for the officer he will have to pay for his mistake, and for the other guy...well he's a corpse.

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    No.

    From what? Deadbeat dads?

    Now that kid will never get any support.
    My parents always taught me, the wise learn from the mistakes of others.

    From evading arrest. Respect authority. You will have your day in court.

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    Will the video stop countless other individuals from evading arrest?

    ^ It was worth it. Streets are safer
    No. The video just made things a lot more unsafer for the public and police officers. Imagine the number of whack jobs out there that are going to want to take revenge on police officers.

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    My parents always taught me, the wise learn from the mistakes of others.

    From evading arrest. Respect authority. You will have your day in court.
    Don't shoot unarmed men in the back who aren't a threat to anyone.

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    No. The video just made things a lot more unsafer for the public and police officers. Imagine the number of whack jobs out there that are going to want to take revenge on police officers.
    They will also be killed. Consider it purging of the worthless

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    Don't shoot unarmed men in the back who aren't a threat to anyone.
    Or we could teach people to respect authority and not break the Law.

    1. Why are you driving with headlight out
    2. Why are you driving without insurance
    3. Why are you not making payments
    4. Why do you have a warrant
    5. Why are you evading arrest
    6. Why are putting your hands on the Cop
    7. Why are you evading arrest again

    He's just a misunderstood 50 year old gentle giant

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    Or we could teach people to respect authority and not break the Law.

    1. Why are you driving with headlight out
    2. Why are you driving without insurance
    3. Why are you not making payments
    4. Why do you have a warrant
    5. Why are you evading arrest
    6. Why are putting your hands on the Cop
    7. Why are you evading arrest again

    He's just a misunderstood 50 year old gentle giant
    The cop broke the law by murdering this guy.

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    It's not a cops job to decide a death sentence but the victim does have some of the blame here. I do think what the cop did was excessive and should not have shot and he should be punished but if the victim had just complied he would have been alive today and still dodging child support bills buying luxury cars...
    Last edited by Chomag; 04-10-2015 at 04:42 PM.

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    If he reached for the Officer's taser = shooting is justified
    i would say MAYBE if the officer instantly reacted to the small scuffle over the taser and shot him point blank... but that's not what happened. the taser was knocked down, and the guy started running away. only after the guy was running did the officer open fire.

    just because you reached for the taser doesn't mean there is some indefinite amount of time where you can be shot. at the very moment the shot was fired, the officer was not threatened or in imminent danger. that's what matters. you can't shoot someone and say "well i felt in danger 10 seconds ago"

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    i would say MAYBE if the officer instantly reacted to the small scuffle over the taser and shot him point blank... but that's not what happened. the taser was knocked down, and the guy started running away. only after the guy was running did the officer open fire.

    just because you reached for the taser doesn't mean there is some indefinite amount of time where you can be shot. at the very moment the shot was fired, the officer was not threatened or in imminent danger. that's what matters. you can't shoot someone and say "well i felt in danger 10 seconds ago"
    To add to your point, you can see the officer casually pull his firearm and fire while the guy was already several feet away.

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    i would say MAYBE if the officer instantly reacted to the small scuffle over the taser and shot him point blank... but that's not what happened. the taser was knocked down, and the guy started running away. only after the guy was running did the officer open fire.

    just because you reached for the taser doesn't mean there is some indefinite amount of time where you can be shot. at the very moment the shot was fired, the officer was not threatened or in imminent danger. that's what matters. you can't shoot someone and say "well i felt in danger 10 seconds ago"
    I tend to agree with this. For instance, lets say If a home intruder breaks into your house you have the right to shoot them to defend yourself and homestead but the moment the perp turns his back and is moving away it can become murder. You cant chase someone down and kill them because they are no longer an immediate threat to you.

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    Presuming that the guy was going to kill someone is a huge leap. People run from the police for a variety of reasons. Assuming he was a killer and then shooting him because you don't know for sure either way, still makes the cop a murderer and stupid.

    This isn't a hard concept here. Cops can't pull out their gun and shoot an unarmed man who is running away from them. Thus the murder charge.
    Yep.

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    It wasn't at all costs.

    He wasn't a maniac.

    You're a very fearful person.
    I'd say he tried getting away at all costs. Running away twice? After wrestling with the cop on the ground?

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    I'd say he tried getting away at all costs. Running away twice? After wrestling with the cop on the ground?
    Did he kill the cop?

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    Did he kill the cop?
    I don't think he did. That to me doesn't mean he didn't try getting away at all costs.

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    Did he kill the cop?
    Fortunately the Officer stopped him from doing that

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    Fortunately the Officer stopped him from doing that
    Nah, he was already running away.

    The cop is going to prison for murdering the dude.

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    Nah, he was already running away.

    The cop is going to prison for murdering the dude.
    Ya running to probably hijack a car or to his homies crib to grab a gun

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    Ya running to probably hijack a car or to his homies crib to grab a gun
    Probably not.

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    Maybe not that day but maniac illustrated he would avoid jail at all costs. Someone was going to be harmed at his belligerent pursuit of that goal.

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    Maybe not that day but maniac illustrated he would avoid jail at all costs. Someone was going to be harmed at his belligerent pursuit of that goal.
    LOL been watching Minority Report much?

    We dont lock up or kill people for what they might do in the future.

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    Maybe not that day but maniac illustrated he would avoid jail at all costs. Someone was going to be harmed at his belligerent pursuit of that goal.
    Probably not.

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    Maybe the bad guys will start thinking twice about breaking the law.

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