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    The real argument for a rules change is it doesn't affect the final score that much----but it does affect the watchability of the game a lot.

    The NBA has changed the rules to make NBA games more entertaining before. They should limit to doing it 4 times in a row or something.

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    The real argument for a rules change is it doesn't affect the final score that much----but it does affect the watchability of the game a lot.
    So does Harden. Should he be banned from the league too?

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    What's your take on advanced metrics Dale
    It's happy horse . Plug the scoreboard in, tip it & get on with it.

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    It's ok to wish injury but forcing a FTA is pussy.
    Thank you.

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    i'm sure games would look more flashy if midgets could dunk.. so why do they keep the rim at the same height? Let's face it, allowing stone handed s to play, is not the hackers fault. If anything, they should give only one ft if the shooter can't hit 50%. that would actually help.
    It doesn't matter because nobody is hiring midgets to play games and fans don't care about midgets dunking. There's a circus for that.

    Fans do care if they can't watch Harden do his thing (including freethrows) because Josh Smith is getting intentionally fouled. It's equivalent to the league changing hand checking rules to make offenses flow more freely.

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    Some of your recent posts have some ty logic and not a fan of your analogy here, but I actually agree with you. I have no issue with Pop using the strategy. he outcoached McHale PERIOD. And because he found a way to exploit the current rules and does it better than RC, DOc and whomever props to him. But leagues tinker with rules all the time and if they adjust that rule I am ok with that too.

    One thing though ...Spur fans all day about how Harden manipulates refs but have no issue with Pop turning a marquee game in to a FT contest how is that any better? IF you are OK with Pop and his strategy how is Harden at fault for doing something similar ...manipulating the refs and the current rules? Stop being hypocritical ...
    That mother er getting a 3 year extension is why I can't even enjoy this franchise, and it embodies the lack of desire to win in this town.

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    ^At home, dj?

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    Having Harden on the line for 25 FTA or having any team at the line for half the team's points is much worse than just the limited game stoppage for intentional fouls. Intentionally fouling is no more of a production method than tanking, which produces an entire season of . The intentional foul is "intentional" for a reason, as it's intent is to generate another possession and force the opposing team to either have good FT shooters on the floor or face the consequences. It's no different than the intentional walk in baseball.
    The league is aware of the tanking problem, and this commissioner has hinted he would like to make a mul ude of changes to address that, from seeding to lottery order, etc. Anything that affects the product will get a 2nd and 3rd look. Intentionally fouling is no different in that respect.

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    FWIW, I have no problem with Pop using the strategy either, it's certainly legal at this time. I just expect the league to address it sooner or later.

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    The league is aware of the tanking problem, and this commissioner has hinted he would like to make a mul ude of changes to address that, from seeding to lottery order, etc. Anything that affects the product will get a 2nd and 3rd look. Intentionally fouling is no different in that respect.
    For you guys it's like shutting the barn door after you trapped Duncan in the in' thing. Everything you own, even both 5ths are due to your tank.

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    Some of your recent posts have some ty logic and not a fan of your analogy here, but I actually agree with you. I have no issue with Pop using the strategy. he outcoached McHale PERIOD. And because he found a way to exploit the current rules and does it better than RC, DOc and whomever props to him. But leagues tinker with rules all the time and if they adjust that rule I am ok with that too.

    One thing though ...Spur fans all day about how Harden manipulates refs but have no issue with Pop turning a marquee game in to a FT contest how is that any better? IF you are OK with Pop and his strategy how is Harden at fault for doing something similar ...manipulating the refs and the current rules? Stop being hypocritical ...
    I agree. It is up to the defenders to adjust. Harden actually will put himself in more difficult positions to actually make a basket if not fouled. Especially on that very low dribble in the lane. He waits for anyone to reach in and then he goes right up through the arms for a foul. Just like Duncan does when someone reaches on him. Both are part of the game.

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    FWIW, I have no problem with Pop using the strategy either, it's certainly legal at this time. I just expect the league to address it sooner or later.
    I agree. Can't blame Pop. It's up to the league to address it or not.

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    It was predictable.

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    No, but I had an accuracy apple this morning...
    well then...

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    What's the rule change? I can't think of anything that makes sense. Option to not shoot? One shot and possession, two shots, or what?
    There's many options. For example, you could make it so that when intentional fouls go over 2x the team foul count, it's a technical foul + possession. So you get the freethrow parade max 5 times per quarter.

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    As for hack-a-scrub turning the game into a product, I tend to agree. I hate watching free throws. It's boring. I DVR games and fast forward when a player is shooting FT. That being said, it's just as boring watching Harden shoot 20 FT as it is some scrub.

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    For you guys it's like shutting the barn door after you trapped Duncan in the in' thing. Everything you own, even both 5ths are due to your tank.
    You're just bitter because we did it right. Look at you, you can't even talk about your own team anymore. Pull yourself together, jeez.

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    Why should the NBA change a rule to cover up a player's deficiency? Most of these guys are getting paid millions of dollars to play basketball, they're suppose to make an uncontested 15 foot shot with ease. And to those clamoring that Pop is making a mockery of the game for using this strategy, no. He's making a mockery out of guys like Josh Smith for disrespecting the game and not learning how to shoot proper free throws.

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    It doesn't matter because nobody is hiring midgets to play games and fans don't care about midgets dunking. There's a circus for that.

    Fans do care if they can't watch Harden do his thing (including freethrows) because Josh Smith is getting intentionally fouled. It's equivalent to the league changing hand checking rules to make offenses flow more freely.
    that sort of acting, however, impacts the legitimacy of the sport.

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    You're just bitter because we did it right. Look at you, you can't even talk about your own team anymore. Pull yourself together, jeez.
    You tanked.

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    Plays basketball can't hit a free throw.

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    The league is aware of the tanking problem, and this commissioner has hinted he would like to make a mul ude of changes to address that, from seeding to lottery order, etc. Anything that affects the product will get a 2nd and 3rd look. Intentionally fouling is no different in that respect.
    It is different. What really affects the product is that it's a ty product. Making the product run faster doesn't make it a better product, just one that ends quicker. What is the downside to not being able to hit free throws if you can just be bailed out? So you can be kept in the game for the oaf aspect but protected from having to shoot a FT?

    Silver won't change anything significant. There are only like 5 guys in the league who that even remotely works on. Why change the rules for 5 guys?

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    As for hack-a-scrub turning the game into a product, I tend to agree. I hate watching free throws. It's boring. I DVR games and fast forward when a player is shooting FT. That being said, it's just as boring watching Harden shoot 20 FT as it is some scrub.
    I quite enjoy watching the big oafs sweat at the FT line knowing they are the center of attention as they brick the shots. Watching a 90% shooter at the line is boring. Steve Nash and his routine used to bug the out of me, so did Rip Hamilton and JKidd tbh.

    Might as well remove the en passant from chess since most neophytes never saw it and freak out when you do it.

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    Splitter sucked at the free throw line one year. The next year, the old sport was OKC'ish at the line. It's called practice

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    The problem with declaring a limit to off ball fouls is that it puts the onus on refs to dictate legitimate fouls from intentional ones. I never want refs to call "intentional fouls" it's too loose a term. I agree somewhat that an Nba version of the college double bonus could work.

    I'd prefer they get rid of the bonus then too. Non shooting fouls, possession + clock until you get into the double bonus and then one shot plus ball, triple bonus..2 shots + ball

    But they better set the # of fouls before the limit hits high.

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