Spurs trying to track down the 2/3/4 seed

[BillMc]

Let me make it easy for everyone.

As someone mentioned earlier, at this point, Spurs win 2nd seed in the following two scenarios.

1). Spurs win out and Memphis loses one game (regardless of what Houston or Clippers do)

2). Spurs win out and Houston wins out (regardless of what Memphis and Clippers do)


If Spurs win out, Memphis wins out, Clippers win out, and Houston loses a game, then Spurs would drop to the 5th seed. This would be because the SW division winner would be Memphis by virtue of better conference record (as their division records would be the same). Memphis would have the 2nd seed. Clippers would be 3rd seed as they have a better conference record as well. We would drop to 5.

So basically, either hope Memphis loses one more game OR Houston wins out, and we would get 2nd seed.

Cheers for the break down!

[exstatic]

So, we're probably 5th, unless GS does us a solid vs Memphis (they might, just to keep us out of their bracket). Houston seems to have zero incentive to win out. They lose tiebreakers with everyone, and the big 4 way tiebreaker.

[will_spurs]

So, we're probably 5th, unless GS does us a solid vs Memphis

Gasol left the game yesterday with a sprained ankle. Conley is hurt. Curry is still playing for a MVP. I could really see Memphis losing this game.

[Horry Hipcheck]

So, we're probably 5th, unless GS does us a solid vs Memphis (they might, just to keep us out of their bracket). Houston seems to have zero incentive to win out. They lose tiebreakers with everyone, and the big 4 way tiebreaker.

I had to double check to see how Houston's seeding odds line up, I was curious how they stack against LAC for the 3 v. 6 matchup. The Rockets really ed themselves losing those two games against the Spurs. They still have an incentive to win out, because they can still win the division if the Spurs and Grizzlies lose one more game each. A three-way tie at 56-26 all puts them in sixth (assuming LA wins out).

The Warriors may not give a who they set themselves up to face in the second round, but it's possible they do and will want to guarantee they meet the Spurs no sooner than the conference finals. If I'm not mistaken, the Rockets can still lock up fifth and home court against Portland if Memphis loses in Oakland and they win out. Right? The Spurs (if they win out) would finish second, the Clippers (if they win out) would finish third, Portland's a lock at fourth, Dallas is all but locked in at seventh, and the Rockets would be a game better than Memphis.

In that scenario, unless I'm missing something, the final standings would be:

1. Warriors
2. Spurs (56-26)
3. Clippers (56-26)
4. Blazers
5. Rockets (56-26)
6. Grizzlies (55-27)
7. Mavs
8. Pelicans/Thunder

Winning out and banking on Memphis losing in Oakland or the Spurs potentially losing in New Orleans (or, lest we overlook them, falling to Phoenix at home) sets Houston up for a fifth seed and home court advantage against the Guests, a series they're much more likely to win, I think, than a series against Los Angeles without home court. Rather than rest on their laurels, having lost their best shot at the 2 seed, I think Houston has to look at the likelihood of Memphis being beaten by Golden State and hoping the Spurs lose at least one of their last two games. Best case, Houston sneaks back into the 2 seed. Most likely case, Houston gets the 5 seed.

[exstatic]

I had to double check to see how Houston's seeding odds line up, I was curious how they stack against LAC for the 3 v. 6 matchup. The Rockets really ed themselves losing those two games against the Spurs. They still have an incentive to win out, because they can still win the division if the Spurs and Grizzlies lose one more game each. A three-way tie at 56-26 all puts them in sixth (assuming LA wins out).

The Warriors may not give a who they set themselves up to face in the second round, but it's possible they do and will want to guarantee they meet the Spurs no sooner than the conference finals. If I'm not mistaken, the Rockets can still lock up fifth and home court against Portland if Memphis loses in Oakland and they win out. Right? The Spurs (if they win out) would finish second, the Clippers (if they win out) would finish third, Portland's a lock at fourth, Dallas is all but locked in at seventh, and the Rockets would be a game better than Memphis.

In that scenario, unless I'm missing something, the final standings would be:

1. Warriors
2. Spurs (56-26)
3. Clippers (56-26)
4. Blazers
5. Rockets (56-26)
6. Grizzlies (55-27)
7. Mavs
8. Pelicans/Thunder

Winning out and banking on Memphis losing in Oakland or the Spurs potentially losing in New Orleans (or, lest we overlook them, falling to Phoenix at home) sets Houston up for a fifth seed and home court advantage against the Guests, a series they're much more likely to win, I think, than a series against Los Angeles without home court. Rather than rest on their laurels, having lost their best shot at the 2 seed, I think Houston has to look at the likelihood of Memphis being beaten by Golden State and hoping the Spurs lose at least one of their last two games. Best case, Houston sneaks back into the 2 seed. Most likely case, Houston gets the 5 seed.

One interesting thing is that on Wednesday, Houston plays at 7 CST, but Memphis final game against Indy doesn't tip until 8:30 CST. Indy now has all hands on deck, and is fighting for their playoff lives. Houston won't know anything but a halftime score when their game is winding down.

[ddjeffries]

When was the last time all teams from one division made the playoffs?

[Johnny RIngo]

When was the last time all teams from one division made the playoffs?

Central Division 2006:

64-18 (1st seed) - Pistons
50-32 (4th seed) - Cavs
41-41 (6th seed) - Pacers
41-41 (7th seed) - Bulls
40-42 (8th seed) - Bucks

Not as impressive as southwest this year though which will probably have four 50 win teams in the playoffs.

[jiggy_55]

Spurs winning out (with Timmy, Tony, and Manu playing) also means the Big 3 would tie the Bird/McHale/Parish record of 540 wins as a trio

[boutons_deux]

Spurs and Grizz finish div 9-7, H2H 2-2, but Grizz win division and 3rd seed with better conf record, Spurs in 5th and open @Blazers, then 2nd round @GSW

[exstatic]

Spurs and Grizz finish div 9-7, H2H 2-2, but Grizz win division and 3rd seed with better conf record, Spurs in 5th and open @Blazers.

If Houston loses a game, that would be the two way tie scenario. SA wins the three way tie by having a 5-3 record in common games among the three teams.

[SpursFan86]

So, we're probably 5th, unless GS does us a solid vs Memphis (they might, just to keep us out of their bracket). Houston seems to have zero incentive to win out. They lose tiebreakers with everyone, and the big 4 way tiebreaker.

I think 2nd is more likely tbh (assuming we win out of course). The chances that GS beats Memphis are pretty high. Memphis will be on the road, and even if GS rests some people, Memphis will likely be missing Conley, Allen, and maybe even Gasol. Then Memphis also plays Indiana the last game of the season, which won't be a gimme. Indiana could still be fighting for their playoff bid.

I'm a little worried about that New Orleans game though. On the road, and playing against a team that has done well this season against good teams. I hope they already have their playoff fate decided going into that game. Not having Splitter would hurt going up against Davis/Asik as well.

[boutons_deux]

If Houston loses a game, that would be the two way tie scenario. SA wins the three way tie by having a 5-3 record in common games among the three teams.

Grizz will take the div and 3rd seed, records don't matter (eg, div winner, 4th seed Blazers' record would put them in 6th). Houston can't tie or win in div. Spurs tie in div W-L and in H2H vs grizz, but lose div on conf record

Spurs - Clips tie with 26L and H2H, Clips take 2nd seed with better conf record vs spurs and rox

[exstatic]

Grizz will take the div and 3rd seed, records don't matter (eg, div winner, 4th seed Blazers' record would put them in 6th). Houston can't tie or win in div.

You're not tracking this right. If everyone wins out, it's a three way tie for the division, which we win. Houston has played one less game, which is why the standings are what they are right now. If they were playing the early game today (they're not) and won, we would instantly pop up from 5th to 2nd without doing a damn thing.

[boutons_deux]

You're not tracking this right. If everyone wins out, it's a three way tie for the division, which we win. Houston has played one less game, which is why the standings are what they are right now. If they were playing the early game today (they're not) and won, we would instantly pop up from 5th to 2nd without doing a damn thing.

there is NO DIV 3-say TIE, Rox have 8L vs 7L for spurs, grizz.

grizz have no more div games, finish 9-7, spur will beat Pels finish 9-7, rox lose div with 8L (Timmy's block!), so grizz spurs tie for div W-L , tie h2h, but grizz take div and 3rd seed with better conf record

lac and spurs tie league w-l (the knicks loss!) , lac takes 2nd seed with better conf record, spurs get 5th, open @blazers, then @GSW

[Spurs 4 The Win]

there is NO DIV TIE, Rox have 8L vs 7L for spurs, grizz. grizz have no more div games, finish 9-7, spur will beat Pels finish 9-7, rox lose div with 8L, so grizz spurs tie for div, h2h, and grizz take div and 3rd seed with conf record

lac and spurs tie w-l, lac takes 2nd with better conf record, spurs get 5th

Wrong

[exstatic]

there is NO DIV 3-say TIE, Rox have 8L vs 7L for spurs, grizz.

grizz have no more div games, finish 9-7, spur will beat Pels finish 9-7, rox lose div with 8L, so grizz spurs tie for div W-L , tie h2h, but grizz take div and 3rd seed with better conf record

lac and spurs tie league w-l (the knicks loss!) , lac takes 2nd seed with better conf record, spurs get 5th, open @blazers, then @GSW

The division is tied if the OVERALL records of the three teams are the same. You're jumping right down to like the 3rd tiebreaker, or something, counting divisional losses. That's not how you determine a tie. All three SW division teams currently have 26 losses. If everyone wins out, it's a three way tie at 56-26. Then, you start at the very TOP of the tiebreakers, way above divisional records, games among the tied teams. Spurs win that at 5-3.

I know how much you hate the Spurs, but please stop spreading misinformation.

[TXstbobcat]

Let me make it easy for everyone.

As someone mentioned earlier, at this point, Spurs win 2nd seed in the following two scenarios.

1). Spurs win out and Memphis loses one game (regardless of what Houston or Clippers do)

2). Spurs win out and Houston wins out (regardless of what Memphis and Clippers do)


If Spurs win out, Memphis wins out, Clippers win out, and Houston loses a game, then Spurs would drop to the 5th seed. This would be because the SW division winner would be Memphis by virtue of better conference record (as their division records would be the same). Memphis would have the 2nd seed. Clippers would be 3rd seed as they have a better conference record as well. We would drop to 5.

So basically, either hope Memphis loses one more game OR Houston wins out, and we would get 2nd seed.

Thank you for the clarification.

[boutons_deux]

The division is tied if the OVERALL records of the three teams are the same. You're jumping right down to like the 3rd tiebreaker, or something, counting divisional losses. That's not how you determine a tie. All three SW division teams currently have 26 losses. If everyone wins out, it's a three way tie at 56-26. Then, you start at the very TOP of the tiebreakers, way above divisional records, games among the tied teams. Spurs win that at 5-3.

I know how much you hate the Spurs, but please stop spreading misinformation.

ok, you can win a division with overall record but with a worse division record. stupid,but rules is rules, makes divisions even more stupid, esp with div winners guaranteed top half of playoff bracket.

[jiggy_55]

there is NO DIV 3-say TIE, Rox have 8L vs 7L for spurs, grizz.

grizz have no more div games, finish 9-7, spur will beat Pels finish 9-7, rox lose div with 8L (Timmy's block!), so grizz spurs tie for div W-L , tie h2h, but grizz take div and 3rd seed with better conf record

lac and spurs tie league w-l (the knicks loss!) , lac takes 2nd seed with better conf record, spurs get 5th, open @blazers, then @GSW

Loooool this is funny

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

ok, you can win a division with overall record but with a worse division record. stupid,but rules is rules, makes divisions even more stupid, esp with div winners guaranteed top half of playoff bracket.

Did you really just find out you win the division based on overall record?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Did you really just find out you win the division based on overall record?

He rides the short bus, cut him some slack

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Overlooked fact, with a win tonight vs Pheonix, we clinch homecourt advantage in the Finals over Cleveland

[tp2021]

Overlooked fact, with a win tonight vs Pheonix, we clinch homecourt advantage in the Finals over Cleveland

I thought we already did that? I saw it in another thread IIRC.
Even if we lost all remaining games, and they win out, we have a tied record. We also have a tied H2H matchup. Next tiebreaker would be record against the other conference, and of course we did better against the East than they did against the west.

[MultiTroll]

Clitters win out
Spurs win out.

#2 seed then depends on?

If Houston loses one game are we flocked behind the Clitters?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I thought we already did that? I saw it in another thread IIRC.
Even if we lost all remaining games, and they win out, we have a tied record. We also have a tied H2H matchup. Next tiebreaker would be record against the other conference, and of course we did better against the East than they did against the west.

Oh, someone said we didnt have the breaker, shouldve checked myself, but you are right. Good news either way, we have the potential for homecourt in 3/4 rounds when just 2.5 weeks ago we were the 6 seed and lost to the Knicks, what a turnaround