Time to move beyond best PF of all time.

[KaiRMD1]

Tim should already be in talk of greatest ever. Nobody has had the career longevity that the old sport has. Yes, he's had some great players around Tim, alone, has remained on a certain level above effectiveness and usefulness. Almost 39 and he's putting up double doubles against young bucks. He puts up another one against the brow and that's it.

[FkLA]

My dream is that he rides off into the sunset as a Top 3 player of all-time after he three-peats next season.

[will_spurs]

A late-career DPOY would help the case too.

[Mikeanaro]

Number 6 and he´s with Jordan and Kareem, Bird had only 3 lol I dont care about eras, 3 is 3 today tomorrow and tosorrow.

[Juggity]

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[ajh18]

Number 6 and he´s with Jordan and Kareem, Bird had only 3 lol I dont care about eras, 3 is 3 today tomorrow and tosorrow.

Agree, Bird hasn't been on Tim's level for a while now. Jordan and Kareem are probably top 2 of the more "modern" era, followed by Tim/Magic (depending on your preference). Russell and Wilt are in the conversation depending on how you value dominance back in the day, but for me they are up there and I too would be fine if someone put them ahead of Tim. But anyone who puts Duncan below 5/6 is crazy.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

I think at this point Tm is one of the 5 greatest players of all time. Winning a sixth le should put him up there with Jordan and Bill Russell.

The

[Sean Cagney]

I think at this point Tm is one of the 5 greatest players of all time. Winning a sixth le should put him up there with Jordan and Bill Russell.

I agree.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It actually won't move him much. People will remember this as kawhi's team or Parkers team. To compare, think about Kobe. His 5 les are discounted because of role player status.

It will however help Pop. And it makes Duncan more memorable as an all time great to mention that he won well past his 30th birthday. But it won't move him past anyone he currently isn't already ahead of.

That final decade Kareem played were undeniably Magic's team and that isn't held against him.

[ohmwrecker]

Wait til he's gone if you really want to find out how important he is to this team.

[Pauleta14]

and one more "player of the week" to his resume...

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/04/13/t...s=iref:nbahpts

[Malik Hairston]

So you have NEVER heard a single sportscaster or former player in your entire life say that Kobe's rings weren't as impressive as Michael's because Kobe was the #2 guy for three of them? Never? I think you're being disingenuous.

That's a very specific scenario/example

As an avid Kobe hater, I would love for the media/casual fans to use perspective when counting his rings, but realistically, they don't..his ring count is always cited as the main reason for his status(along with point totals, of course)

[Keepin' it real]

Pundits will never place Tim above Kareem. Never.

[Cry Havoc]

If Duncan is a major contributor (I.e., at least 3rd best player on this team) and we make another le run, you have to put Duncan in the top 5 of all-time unconditionally, probably 3rd, behind Jordan and Kareem.

As of now I have Duncan at 4.

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Duncan
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Russell
8. Hakeem
9. LeBron
10. Shaq

I expect LeBron to end up anywhere from #3 to #6 all-time, so there's that.

[Cry Havoc]

Pundits will never place Tim above Kareem. Never.

I'm surprised some of them have realized how superior Duncan is to Kobe. Not all, but some.

[FlAVaK]

He is my #1 basketball player of all time ... thats all that counts

Well said

[apalisoc_9]

wow I hate kobe as much as the next spur, but I would never ever put Wilt or Russell over rapist. Never.

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
TD
Shaq
Lebron
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe

Kobe is a top 10 player of all time..even if you add another guy in that list and even if you really wanted to add one 60's guy..Kobe would still be top 10.

[Brazil]

It actually won't move him much. People will remember this as kawhi's team or Parkers team. To compare, think about Kobe. His 5 les are discounted because of role player status.

It will however help Pop. And it makes Duncan more memorable as an all time great to mention that he won well past his 30th birthday. But it won't move him past anyone he currently isn't already ahead of.

wtf ?

Duncan has been the best Spurs throughout the POs last year, he has been the best Spurs player this year...

[will_spurs]

?

At this point in his career a DPOY makes no difference whatsoever. It's a 2nd rate award and a joke. Only things that count are more rings, FMVP and getting MVP votes as a 38+ year old.

You might as well say a MIP award would further cement his legacy

[Brazil]

He is top 4-5 today imo, a 6th will put him in top 3 imo fwiw

[pgardn]

Pundits will never place Tim above Kareem. Never.

Kareem had a huge decline in D.
The poor guy could not move and would just hip check people running bye him.
He was playing under different rules however. Which could make him better or worse than he really was on D depending on how one evaluates the rule changes.

[aal04]

I was going to make a thread about this being the first year ive seen Duncan decline fast. But hes been proving me wrong in the last week.

Not the first guy to think Duncan has declined prematurely!

As of ranking, he has a legit chance of FMVP.

I still have him as our best and most vital player in the 07 and 14 runs. He showed up in all the series and when we needed him. If Kawhi doesnt go off, im willing to bet Tim picks up the slack like all the other series we had where said players didnt rise.

Both 07 and 14 we won so easily Tim didnt have to go to god mode and you had inconsistent players go off. Tim was always there for the stability.

1. MJ
2-4. Magic, Kareem, Tim (no order)
*60s players excluded

Another le as FMVP and he becomes my goat.

[Knoxxx]

By most important accomplishments, Tim is the 3rd greatest of all time:

Jordan and Jabbar ahead, tied with Magic.

Go Hillary, spare us from total idiots like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz!

[Diego20]

1: TD
2: TD
3 : TD
4: idc

[Mr Bones]

That's a very specific scenario/example

As an avid Kobe hater, I would love for the media/casual fans to use perspective when counting his rings, but realistically, they don't..his ring count is always cited as the main reason for his status(along with point totals, of course)

Disingenuous.