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    THe SS is really nothing special. Violent special forces? The kind the US sends to every arab, asian, and S. American country? The kind that every arab has?

    WAr is . You lose perspective and do dumb . Imagine the crazy you'd resort to if you were under battle for 4 years or more.

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    Reading all this good stuff, makes me want to root about in the attic and get my army guys down.

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    what the is this? Germany would have been fine winning. THe US would have been fine with Nazis. Hitler would have died and the germans would have gone away from war footing. In essence Germany did win. The US paid for it. Yeah they hung some Nazis but the world certainly wanted Germany to remain strong and so it did.



    Meanwhile Stalin did create a russian dark age. Stalin. For every anti hitler tirade you see out there, i want two anti stalin tirades.
    Germany suffered horribly from what Hitler did.

    That was no win. That was utter destruction unlike WWI. The allies understood that rebuilding Germany and Japan was very important to stop the butcher, Stalin.

    Fck both of them. Both were megalomaniacs and vile creatures.

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    Hitler indiscriminately bombed London at night. On a large scale. It was clearly done to break England's will but had the opposite effect.
    Dont give us any fcks up lying bull .

    And chemical weapons were still terribly unreliable. Hitler learned that from WWI when he was gassed most likely by Germans.
    http://www.history.co.uk/study-topic...bing-offensive

    When Luftwaffe night-bombers unintentionally (and against orders) attacked London in August 1940, Churchill ordered a retaliatory raid on Berlin. This caused an enraged Hitlerto order intensified bombing of targets in and around London.
    Both sides thus claimed that their attacks on enemy cities were in retaliation for what had been begun by the enemy.

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    THe SS is really nothing special. Violent special forces? The kind the US sends to every arab, asian, and S. American country? The kind that every arab has?

    WAr is . You lose perspective and do dumb . Imagine the crazy you'd resort to if you were under battle for 4 years or more.
    The SS was responsible for getting rid of ths SA? They murdered a whole group of Germans more closely associated with the German Military. They were the "morality" behind Germany, responsible for some dirty fighting and keeping the Nazi party mantra in.

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    Germany suffered horribly from what Hitler did.

    That was no win. That was utter destruction unlike WWI. The allies understood that rebuilding Germany and Japan was very important to stop the butcher, Stalin.

    Fck both of them. Both were megalomaniacs and vile creatures.
    ok, he corrupted the democracy and leveraged the economy towards war, what else? Having your big cities and industrial centers bombed out will screw your economy pretty bad. What else?

    Oh and indeed, both, but Stalin more.

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    What's that gun you're totin', >? This whole crazy world, it's just too in' frustratin'. A mere handful of Senators can't pass legislation. I devoutly believe we're on the eve of destruction.
    I subscribe to an alternate view of history. The s conspired to get us fighting against each other to destroy us, and then bas ized our race (started with bringing negros to the Rhineland) to weaken us so that they might dominate. The s funded both sides of the war. This explains a lot of it

    http://www.history.co.uk/study-topic...bing-offensive

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    http://www.history.co.uk/study-topic...bing-offensive

    When Luftwaffe night-bombers unintentionally (and against orders) attacked London in August 1940, Churchill ordered a retaliatory raid on Berlin. This caused an enraged Hitlerto order intensified bombing of targets in and around London.
    Both sides thus claimed that their attacks on enemy cities were in retaliation for what had been begun by the enemy.
    That Berlin raid was absolutely nothing compared to what Hitler did to London.
    It had no military value whatsoever, it was a moral booster, the English just wanted to show they could strike, the English had no idea if they even hit anything, or even anything of value(military).

    Hitler continued with heavy heavy bombing of civilian London. Very densely populated LONDON.

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    ok, he corrupted the democracy and leveraged the economy towards war, what else? Having your big cities and industrial centers bombed out will screw your economy pretty bad. What else?

    Oh and indeed, both, but Stalin more.
    Stalin had a helter shelter huge population. He killed enemies and starved his own people. Hitler would have done the same thing imo if he was in Stalins shoes. Hiltler did do the same thing, he just had much better control over a much smaller country. The SS eliminated a of a lot of Germans. Not near on the scale of Stalin, but I can see hitler doing the same thing.

    Its all conjecture of course.

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    The SS eliminated a of a lot of Germans.
    proof?

    Not near on the scale of Stalin, but I can see hitler doing the same thing.
    so did he do or or you can just "see" him doing it? Again, link?

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    In b4 night of the long knives. That's not the same thing as your accusation.

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    what the is this? Germany would have been fine winning. THe US would have been fine with Nazis. Hitler would have died and the germans would have gone away from war footing. In essence Germany did win. The US paid for it. Yeah they hung some Nazis but the world certainly wanted Germany to remain strong and so it did.


    Meanwhile Stalin did create a russian dark age. Stalin. For every anti hitler tirade you see out there, i want two anti stalin tirades.

    Yeah, of course Germany would have been fine winning... the rest of Europe would not have been fine... especially the jews.

    US would have been fine with Nazis? Hitler would have died... when?

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    The irony in all this is neoNazis want to revise what the Nazis did.
    But...

    The Nazis kept such damn good records they can't get away from their past.
    They wrote so much of the they pulled and we got a hold of it.
    A very organized super machine that really just got over whelmed by the vast # of people the Russians threw at them, and the HUGE industrialization towards war by the U.S.

    By the time the war was over the Europeans were damn glad the US was so mechanized and so ubiquitous. So here we are today. The U.S. big dogs, like it or not.

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    propf?



    so did he do or or you can just "see" him doing it? Again, link?
    No link necessary. When one political party comes to dominate an entire nation, it's not without some resistance from other parties, and suppression after.

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    proof?



    so did he do or or you can just "see" him doing it? Again, link?
    Read the above AGAIN.
    Its conjecture.

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    ok, he corrupted the democracy and leveraged the economy towards war, what else? Having your big cities and industrial centers bombed out will screw your economy pretty bad. What else?

    Oh and indeed, both, but Stalin more.
    There was more to Germany than its form of government and its economy. He got millions of Germans killed -- military and civilian.

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    Yeah, of course Germany would have been fine winning... the rest of Europe would not have been fine... especially the jews.

    US would have been fine with Nazis? Hitler would have died... when?

    Outside of Britain most of Europe was on their side. You can't hold that much territory with that small of an army. An occupying army needs to be roughly 10% the size of the population it occupies, unless of course the people welcome you as liberators. Men from all over Europe were joining the SS.

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    Stalin had a helter shelter huge population. He killed enemies and starved his own people. Hitler would have done the same thing imo if he was in Stalins shoes. Hiltler did do the same thing, he just had much better control over a much smaller country. The SS eliminated a of a lot of Germans. Not near on the scale of Stalin, but I can see hitler doing the same thing.

    Its all conjecture of course.

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    In b4 night of the long knives. That's not the same thing as your accusation.
    It happened then and all throughout the war. Singularly and in groups.
    Why did German units have SS officers along with regular troops? What were they worried about?

    Exactly.

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    Outside of Britain most of Europe was on their side. You can't hold that much territory with that small of an army. An occupying army needs to be roughly 10% the size of the population it occupies, unless of course the people welcome you as liberators. Men from all over Europe were joining the SS.
    Most of Europe was against them. There were some racist/stupid nut cases from many countries that joined the SS but it was an immaterial number compared to how many people feared and hated them throughout Europe.

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    I'll have to read more about the London raids. I always though it was mostly pschological terror. I don't see much damage to London from small and inaccurate V2 bombs and the stukas. The stukas were small planes. They were fairly accurate if using dive bombing tactics.

    so heres something from wikipedia: Total British civilian losses from July to December 1940 were 23,002 dead and 32,138 wounded, with one of the largest single raids on 19 December 1940, in which almost 3,000 civilians died.

    I guess i never thought about that because it was spread out over months rather than one single bombing raid like the US did. Anyway, a lot of bombs in ww2. But US had the biggest bombs and biggest bombers.

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    Italy, Austria, Vichy France, Hungary, slovakia, Finland, croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania all supported along with large numbers in the occupied countries

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    It happened then and all throughout the war. Singularly and in groups.
    But link though?

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    You realize you got Hitler to thank for the veins of the US running throughout Europe?
    And the Russians you love so much with Mr. Putin.
    He keeps the US involved and legit. So Hitler set the US up for domination, and the USSR and nor Russia ensures it stays this way.

    Ironic, so ironic.
    For your goals are actually thwarted by your heroes in a way.
    Man.... What a if looked at this way.

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    But link though?
    You have read about the night, so you know.
    And the links for the SS executing Germans they thought had turned on Hitler?
    Are you serious?

    You find them yourself. They are all over. They are Fckn all over...

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