Kawhi is the best defender. but its not just missed games that hurt him. It took him atleast 5-10 games to overcome that dodgy eye.
We forgetting how bad he played when he was in recovery mode?
How many points does a 2nd place in voting get?
I recall a few awards in the past where the winner had less first place votes..Or maybe I am dreaming.
I think Harden might win soley for this reason.
Good to see you, tbh..
Each ballot has 5 places. 10 points for first, then 7-5-3-1.
Doesn't count, but Kawhi winning DPOY on NBA.com poll
Lowe and Simmons are my 2 favourites.
Kawhi is winning every fan Poll tbh...NBA, realgm, etc.
Not really a factor though
Tony Parker is going to win it, period.
It's a ing joke if Kawhi doesn't win, tbh.
That being said, I understand how like this works and Kawhi probably won't win.
also, it's clear that saying "kawhi is the best defender in the league, but draymond played more games" leaves a bad taste in the voter's mouth. Years from now when they'll look back, people will be like "hey zach, how come you didn't vote for kawhi that year, he was clearly the best defender and now he won x in a row" answering "yeah, i knew he was the best but he missed some games" sounds pretty stupid..
"He was the best defender while on the court, but there was another guy who was nearly as good and played far more minutes than him"
Seems like pretty reasonable justification.
You guys act like Draymond is just some decent defender who played 82 games or some
There's also the fact that the Warriors are by far the most beloved and popular team in the league, too
The media and casual fan likes them more than I've ever seen for a non- le team..I'm sure most here haven't forgotten the lovefest and everybody cheering for them in the 2013 series..
Most of the voters for these awards never give any insight into what factors led to their votes. Lowe has written a detailed rationale for each award. Very useful article, IMO.
Kerr is in bed with the media tbh. He must have learned it from Steve Nash's 2x MVPsThere's also the fact that the Warriors are by far the most beloved and popular team in the league, too
The media and casual fan likes them more than I've ever seen for a non- le team..I'm sure most here haven't forgotten the lovefest and everybody cheering for them in the 2013 series..
that's pretty much the truth tbh, he is just a guy who has great advanced metric, but nothing spectacular compared to his teammates. Other than that, he has no argument. Really, his best trait, is keeping David Lee off the court, it's more addition by subtraction than anything."He was the best defender while on the court, but there was another guy who was nearly as good and played far more minutes than him"
Seems like pretty reasonable justification.
You guys act like Draymond is just some decent defender who played 82 games or some
That and Curry is a perfect face for the league..fun to watch, light-skinned, non-threatening, good teammate, no chance of off-field mistakes, etc..
Have you watched him play? He's absolutely an excellent defender. He's extremely versatile and can guard players of all positions. He manages to keep their defense at an elite level even without Bogut. People seem to be forgetting that Bogut has missed a decent amount of time this year, and isn't even playing many minutes. Bogut has played 40% of Golden State's minutes this year.
Draymond on, Bogut off: Warriors' DRTG = 100.2 (would be best in the NBA)
How is he nothing spectacular compared to his teammates? Bogut is a better defender, but as I mentioned, he doesn't even play half of his team's minutes. He's played less minutes than Manu this year. Klay is a good defender but nothing special. Why is their defense so good without Bogut if not for Draymond Green?
Again, I'm not saying that he's better than Kawhi. Just disagree with this notion that he's nothing special and that him winning DPOTY over Kawhi would be some travesty
Hopefully Tim makes all-D, at least..I don't expect DG to make it, Lowe will probably be one of the few that votes for him(along with other new-media, metrics connoisseurs)..
I expect first-team to be:
G Paul(
G Allen
F Leonard
F Green
C Jordan(unfortunately)
2nd team will probably be:
G ?
G ?
F
F Davis(he will get it, poor choice, overrated defender IMO)
C Bogut
Hopefully Lebron doesn't get the Kobe treatment and get in
Only Kobe Bryant can win awards without playing a full season.
What do you think about Tim's chances for All-NBA 3rd Team? Gasol and Cousins have 1st and 2nd Team locked up. 3rd will either go to DeAndre, Tim, or Horford.
No idea..it's a toss-up, and it depends on the positioning..
I don't think Cousins is as popular with voters as he is with fans, though, and players on teams with poor records generally don't get treated well on All-NBA teams..
let's see:
Production On Court/Off Court Simple Player Min Own Opp Net On Off Net Rating Curry 69% 29.2 13.9 +15.4 +16.5 -1.4 +17.9 +16.2 Thompson 66% 22.1 10.1 +12.0 +14.9 +3.1 +11.8 +12.0 Green 66% 17.1 13.5 +3.6 +15.7 +1.5 +14.2 +7.1 McAdoo 1% 33.3 25.0 +8.3 +9.8 +10.9 -1.1 +5.2 Bogut 36% 17.5 15.2 +2.4 +16.4 +7.8 +8.6 +4.5 Iguodala 53% 11.8 8.7 +3.1 +10.9 +10.9 +0.0 +2.1 Lee 21% 21.1 19.2 +1.9 +10.0 +11.2 -1.2 +0.9 Holiday 14% 13.1 10.3 +2.8 +7.5 +11.5 -4.0 +0.5 Barnes 61% 14.8 15.5 -0.7 +11.7 +9.7 +2.0 +0.2
as you can see, Green is pairing himself with two wing player with better defensive metrics than him, that shut down the teams best wingers and add in bogut's rim protection, and all he really has to do is guard the screen and roll. May not be trivial, but he is not even close to the standalone defenders that gobert and leonard are. One locks the paint and the other locks the best players in the league (minus harden and some pgs). Green otoh doesn't lock up anybody, he plays good system defence.
also, if you check the 5 man units, this unit Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Barnes-Bogut, has a sick 0.67 points per possession, compared to the 0.97 of the starting lineup.
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