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    Kobe: 2

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    how could he give it back if they weren't ahead?

    You were up 5 with 28 seconds to go, pussy. Stop acting like it didn't happen. We saw it.

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    You were up 5 with 28 seconds to go, pussy. Stop acting like it didn't happen. We saw it.
    Was he on the court?

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    Absolutely had six. Then had to surrender 1 upon demand because he let go of the wheel. The moment they sold your on TV I gotcha. And I ain't ever lettin' ya go. And that "tragedy of 2013" was wholly preventable, but, Duncan stonewalled her and paid a mighty bounty...your 1st 5th.

    And yes, Kobe does have exactly five. He put five in the case and those 5 have stayed in there undisturbed.

    Basically, this is what comes to mind when I think about game 6.


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    No... the was on his way to the locker room to celebrate.

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    Basically, this is what comes to mind when I think about game 6.

    At 2:26 of this video is what happened to Jim and the Spurs.

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    Spurs are the defending champs and about to be back to back champs, stfu and go jack off to your 2010 championship DVD got

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    You had no chance in 2004. The only thing wrong with 2004 was 0.4. You were lucky to make the Finals, and you got on.

    Your second sentence is correct, though. 2013 was on Gregg. Tell that to this guy:



    Gregg handed it back, not Tim. And why are you assuming that handing it back is the worst possible thing? As far as I'm concerned, 5 + 1 handed back > 5.

    But soon enough, it will be Duncan: 6, the tired old bag Kobe: 5.
    The outcome is pure speculation, but the bulk of the series would have been changed if he was more accepting of his role and Shaq had embraced his leader role for the fourth time.

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    You had no chance in 2004. The only thing wrong with 2004 was 0.4. You were lucky to make the Finals, and you got on.

    Your second sentence is correct, though. 2013 was on Gregg. Tell that to this guy:



    Gregg handed it back, not Tim. And why are you assuming that handing it back is the worst possible thing? As far as I'm concerned, 5 + 1 handed back > 5.

    But soon enough, it will be Duncan: 6, the tired old bag Kobe: 5.
    I will decide the placement of The Bag come June. That is my province, mine & mine alone.

    And yes, having to give back an NBA le after it's been won is decimating. For you to argue & rationalize the point is ridiculous. Don't do it, Arc, I beseech you.

    A contentedly married Duncan would not have missed those layups, would not have let Battier thwart him. This is on Duncan, for not taking care of the situation with his wife before the playoffs. He tried to brazen it out and it cost him, dearly.

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    The outcome is pure speculation, but the bulk of the series would have been changed if he was more accepting of his role and Shaq had embraced his leader role for the fourth time.
    The failure ultimately rests with Jackson. He was unable to "marry" these two. It doesn't matter (((why.))) No. It does not matter. The bottom line is Jackson could not do it. He failed miserably. God knows how many we left on the table.

    That Jackson has not been donned for this failure is unforgivable.

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    The failure ultimately rests with Jackson. He was unable to "marry" these two. It doesn't matter (((why.))) No. It does not matter. The bottom line is Jackson could not do it. He failed miserably. God knows how many we left on the table.

    That Jackson has not been donned for this failure is unforgivable.
    Everybody has to take a bite of the sandwich, Cub. That includes Phil, Shaq, Kobe and Malone.

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    Everybody has to take a bite of the sandwich, Cub. That includes Phil, Shaq, Kobe and Malone.
    It would be like blaming your children for continual misbehavior. That is your, the parents failure. By God, he's the one who primped & posed as the psychological coach & mentor. Sure, as long as it worked in Chicago with Rodman and worked with the Lakers he stood in the light and took the praise & rewards. But, when it failed, and why did it fail, because he, like Duncan let go of the wheel and by the time Jackson got a holt of it again we were buried six feet into the abutment and then dead silence ensued. Sure, Media blamed Kobe (the younger brother) mostly & Daddy (the elder brother) occasionally, but, Jackson (father) was left untouched. And that wasn't right.

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    I will decide the placement of The Bag come June. That is my province, mine & mine alone.

    And yes, having to give back an NBA le after it's been won is decimating. For you to argue & rationalize the point is ridiculous. Don't do it, Arc, I beseech you.

    A contentedly married Duncan would not have missed those layups, would not have let Battier thwart him. This is on Duncan, for not taking care of the situation with his wife before the playoffs. He tried to brazen it out and it cost him, dearly.
    That's pure speculation about his ex-wife's effects on his psychological state, and the second-order effects on his basketball performance. And you accuse me of rationalizing?

    You're desperately reaching. But I'm not surprised. What else can you do now as a Kobe fan?

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    That's pure speculation about his ex-wife's effects on his psychological state, and the second-order effects on his basketball performance. And you accuse me of rationalizing?

    You're desperately reaching. But I'm not surprised. What else can you do now as a Kobe fan?
    Because my speculation is about human behavior. I genuinely believe that is what happened to Duncan. It is not a troll. But, we, all of us were denied justice by Media's total neglect of this story, of the events leading up to it. Can you imagine the Lakers selling their prematurely? We'd never hear the end of it. Aside from this Forum I've never seen that story spoken of, or, in print.

    Your rationalization is about a fact, Arc. It was over. Over over. They were openly selling your Championship gear on the television. You then had to give it back. To sit there and defend that fact is not right. Christ, take it, embrace it. It's yours, just like '14 is. It's part of your heritage, your empirical white paper. It can't all be good. If you can't take '13, then you're not worthy of '14.

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    It would be like blaming your children for continual misbehavior. That is your, the parents failure. By God, he's the one who primped & posed as the psychological coach & mentor. Sure, as long as it worked in Chicago with Rodman and worked with the Lakers he stood in the light and took the praise & rewards. But, when it failed, and why did it fail, because he, like Duncan let go of the wheel and by the time Jackson got a holt of it again we were buried six feet into the abutment and then dead silence ensued. Sure, Media blamed Kobe (the younger brother) mostly & Daddy (the elder brother) occasionally, but, Jackson (father) was left untouched. And that wasn't right.
    It wasn't right, Cub, that Jackson didn't take the bite - yes. Although he is not the majority to blame because his actions merely contributed, not orchestrated (eg: pop 2013), the chain of events leading to failure. Every piece has a role, cub, and when that piece falls out of place the greater picture becomes skewed. Jackson didn't properly facilitate the team's chemistry as much as Kobe didn't accept his role, Malone didn't prepare his body and Shaq didn't take the stand he needed to.

    It's less a domino effect, and more of gradually filling glass that eventually spills.

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    It wasn't right, Cub, that Jackson didn't take the bite - yes. Although he is not the majority to blame because his actions merely contributed, not orchestrated (eg: pop 2013), the chain of events leading to failure. Every piece has a role, cub, and when that piece falls out of place the greater picture becomes skewed. Jackson didn't properly facilitate the team's chemistry as much as Kobe didn't accept his role, Malone didn't prepare his body and Shaq didn't take the stand he needed to.

    It's less a domino effect, and more of gradually filling glass that eventually spills.
    In the end I believe Jackson was just as prissy, immature with a bent to sabotage as Daddy & Kobe were. He withheld his healing powers, his talent, his a en and instead provoked those two with code words coupled with neglect. I can't imagine his motivation though. Why would he sabotage the team? He's a complex man, but, I believe he has a mean streak and it reared it's head there.

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    In the end I believe Jackson was just as prissy, immature with a bent to sabotage as Daddy & Kobe were. He withheld his healing powers, his talent, his a en and instead provoked those two with code words coupled with neglect. I can't imagine his motivation though. Why would he sabotage the team? He's a complex man, but, I believe he has a mean streak and it reared it's head there.
    Perhaps he was at wits end, cub. He had to work his magic for three championship seasons, he layed the golden egg trice. The goose will eventually get tired and lay a spoiled egg, but Phil came back to make amends twice.

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    Perhaps he was at wits end, cub. He had to work his magic for three championship seasons, he layed the golden egg trice. The goose will eventually get tired and lay a spoiled egg, but Phil came back to make amends twice.
    True. I just get a little peaked when I look back at what could have been with those two. I'm a little reflective tonite for some damn reason. I've been thinking of Odom as well and how that went bad so fast and the tragic waste. It's difficult to fathom that 5 years have past since we rang. On a basketball level it's sad, but, from a personal level it goes too fast. I ain't got many 5 year chuncks left.

    I'm gonna hit the hay. Night guys.

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    True. I just get a little peaked when I look back at what could have been with those two. I'm a little reflective tonite for some damn reason. I've been thinking of Odom as well and how that went bad so fast and the tragic waste. It's difficult to fathom that 5 years have past since we rang. On a basketball level it's sad, but, from a personal level it goes too fast. I ain't got many 5 year chuncks left.

    I'm gonna hit the hay. Night guys.
    Take it easy, Cub, look at the bright side: you may yet never live to see the Suns ring.

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