Jazz: National socialist germany

[pgardn]

Molotov

Why did Russia feel safe in sending some of their best troops from Siberia to the Eastern front to fight?

Why? This is so often overlooked, but it greatly aided in Russia defeating Germany. People claim they know history and completely overlook this tidbit. I await your answer.
I await anyone's answer...
Silver and Black, this will bolster your claim.

[Molotov]

Molotov

Why did Russia feel safe in sending some of their best troops from Siberia to the Eastern front to fight?

Why? This is so often overlooked, but it greatly aided in Russia defeating Germany. People claim they know history and completely overlook this tidbit. I await your answer.
I await anyone's answer...
Silver and Black, this will bolster your claim.

Too easy, scrah, they could divert Siberian reserves because they found out through their diplomats that the Japs, and as eventually happened, had no intention of attacking Russia in far east, whose territories offered slim pickings. Instead, the Japs attacked the Chinese mainland with its resource rich lands, and left Russia alone for the rest of the war until Russia took Berlin and sent its forces to rape the Japs with massed armour.

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So much wrong with these takes but I have a headache and honestly it's exasperating arguing with knuckleheads who repeat the same mistakes ad nauseam

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Plus Molotov is another Stalin troll cling in his own backup

[pgardn]

Too easy, scrah, they could divert Siberian reserves because they found out through their diplomats that the Japs, and as eventually happened, had no intention of attacking Russia in far east, whose territories offered slim pickings. Instead, the Japs attacked the Chinese mainland with its resource rich lands, and left Russia alone for the rest of the war until Russia took Berlin and sent its forces to rape the Japs with massed armour.

Yeah the Japanese had no intention.

Because they Fkn had their hands full with the U.S., that's why they had no intention!
China! How far did they get into China? Seriously? Once Japan engaged the US, it was all hands deck.
The War with The US diverted almost all of Japan's attention in that part of Asia to the Pacific.
The Japanese were far more brutal with Korea... China... Sheesh. That was a blip.

Lets get that straight, Scrah...

The ethnic Chinese the Japanese killed in droves were not in China.

[K...]

Do we at least agree that the United kingdom sucked balls? The only cool parts were stolen from India. Talk about ong barbarians, they couldn't even get protestant religion correct, lol.

[Molotov]

Yeah the Japanese had no intention.

Because they Fkn had their hands full with the U.S., that's why they had no intention!
China! How far did they get into China? Seriously? Once Japan engaged the US, it was all hands deck.
The War with The US diverted almost all of Japan's attention in that part of Asia to the Pacific.

Lets get that straight, Scrah...

Quite wrong. The Russians and Japs clashed in 1938, when Japs tried to invade Mongolia, Russia's puppet at the time. The Japs ty paper tanks got raped by Russian Red Army armour. The effect of which was the april 1941 Russian-Jap non aggression treaty. Germans attacked Russian that same June, and at this time Americans were still talking with the Japs, they weren't at war yet, scrah. That happened December 1941, lel. So, your supposed "Americans pounding Japs" deterent is quite off since the war between them has yet to start. At the time when Nazi's attacked Russia in June 1941 and mighty Siberian reserves were called up, who then proceeded to march on foot from Siberia to Moscow and go straight into the battle of Moscow that same winter and stop the Nazi invader in their tracks.

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Meanwhile USA admits that a Russian sale of s300s to Iran would completely take the military force option off the table completely. Check it out its in the political forum. This is the old generation were talking about, not even the S500. No way could Russia have fought Germany one on one but with the German nation destroyed, Russia stands tall among the second place contenders. Any American aggression in Eastern Europe will result in our forces being swept from the continent.

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A fine thread. You guys have done good.

[pgardn]

Quite wrong. The Russians and Japs clashed in 1938, when Japs tried to invade Mongolia, Russia's puppet at the time. The Japs ty paper tanks got raped by Russian Red Army armour. The effect of which was the april 1941 Russian-Jap non aggression treaty. Germans attacked Russian that same June, and at this time Americans were still talking with the Japs, they weren't at war yet, scrah. That happened December 1941, lel. So, your supposed "Americans pounding Japs" deterent is quite off since the war between them has yet to start. At the time when Nazi's attacked Russia in June 1941 and mighty Siberian reserves were called up, who then proceeded to march on foot from Siberia to Moscow and go straight into the battle of Moscow that same winter and stop the Nazi invader in their tracks.

Nope.
Swing and a miss.
Look again when the troops were withdrawn by Russia and moved scrah...

And what about your China claims?
Japan and China had been at it off and on many times before WWII.

The U.S. engagement with Japan aided Russia. There would have been no elite troops in Siberia if it were not so. They were there because of Japan. And fully moved because Russia was getting its kicked in on the Eastern front and Japan was now engaged.

The weather may have been the biggest factor in stopping the Germans in the East. Although I cant see how Hitler could possibly... They were both mentally fragile leaders, Stalin and Hitler. Paranoid nuts.

You probably don't believe Stalin had a "nervy B" when Hitler turned on him and it was going poorly...

[pgardn]

Do we at least agree that the United kingdom sucked balls? The only cool parts were stolen from India. Talk about ong barbarians, they couldn't even get protestant religion correct, lol.

I Quite like the English.
Funniest people on Earth imo.

[Molotov]

Nope.
Swing and a miss.
Look again when the troops were withdrawn by Russia and moved scrah...

And what about your China claims?
Japan and China had been at it off and on many times before WWII.

The U.S. engagement with Japan aided Russia. There would have been no elite troops in Siberia if it were not so. They were there because of Japan. And fully moved because Russia was getting its kicked in on the Eastern front and Japan was now engaged.

The weather may have been the biggest factor in stopping the Germans in the East. Although I cant see how Hitler could possibly... They were both mentally fragile leaders, Stalin and Hitler. Paranoid nuts.

You probably don't believe Stalin had a "nervy B" when Hitler turned on him and it was going poorly...

What are you babbling about scro? Your American High School "education" clearly showing. Reinforcements were being withdrawn from Far East since July when Russians realized that Moscow defenses would soon be breached. Thats how they were ready for Moscow's defense and winter counter-offensives in autumn and winter, Japs declared war on US, in December, when German advance had already been slowed. Is that all you have? So asshurt desperate to deflect, that has to split hairs over a couple months.





http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=37

"Russians had been launching counteroffensives of various sizes since early Sep to slow the progress of the German army. The counteroffensives were largely planned under the leadership of Zhukov, a man who Stalin feared as a political threat but yet relied on so much to defend his capital. On 5 Dec, Zhukov saw the opportunity to launch a major counteroffensive, while at the same time he knew he could no longer take any chances; the German troops were too close to Moscow for his comfort. He called in his troops of Siberia and the Far East, who had been resting nearby for such a counteroffensive. T-34 tanks and Katyusha rocket launchers led the way for the fresh Russian soldiers, some of whom donned the white winter camouflage that became the subject of nightmares to the freezing retreating German troops. By 7 Jan 1942, the front lines were driven back anywhere between 100km to 250km. German forces would never again threaten Moscow directly for the rest of the war."



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern..._(World_War_II)

"During the autumn, Stalin had been transferring fresh, well-equipped Soviet forces from Siberia and the Far East to Moscow. On 5 December 1941, these reinforcements attacked the German lines around the Soviet capital, supported by new T-34 tanks and Katyusha rocket launchers. The new Soviet troops were better-prepared for winter warfare than their foes, and they also included several ski battalions. The exhausted and freezing Germans were driven away from Moscow on 7 January 1942."





Yes, dummy, like I said Japs decided since getting ted on in 1938 by the Russians, to concentrate on attacking the Chinese mainland, they were at war with China since 1938. Are you stupid? I just said that in a previous post, that's why they could remove some reserves because Japs were occupied with Chinese not Americans, the s should be thanked far more for keeping the Japs occupied than the US. Battle of Moscow was already decided by the time Japs attacked Pearl Harbour in December 9141. There was no war between Japs and Americans yet to influence Siberian reserves, re . Another dumbass American trying to overrate American involvement in WWII because he knows what an insignificant sideshow it was.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor


The attack on Pearl Harbor^{[nb 4]} was a surprise military strike conducted by the Imperial Japanese Navy against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of December 7, 1941 (December 8 in Japan). The attack led to the United States' entry into World War II.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Yes, I'm sure without a few American supplies and trucks Russia would have lost WWII. That's it dummy. Nazi Germany war machine was at the peak of its power just before attack on Mother Russia, after some initial setbacks Lord Stalin and the Victorious Red Army turned the tided and gave the Nazi aggressor what they deserved, all the way to Berlin. The greatest number of divisions and most decisive battles were all fought on the Eastern front, I didn't expect your American High School education() to cover that. Americans sent some supplies but they were far from decisive in the outcome, dummy, and they entered the war when the Nazis were already falling back before the growing might of the Red Army. The number of divisions engaged in the African and Western theaters was pathetic in comparison to the forces contesting the outcome of WWII on the Eastern front, just like in the Great War the Americans were a mere sideshow.

A few, you are talking about hundreds of ship. Americans sent so many ships to UK and Russian that the Germans couldn't possibly destroy them all. They would literally run out of torpedos from their attacks. It wasn't a few supplies, it was a load of supplies.

Over 4,000 ships where sunk in the first 3 years of the war. Americans sent 100's of ships to Russian. They wouldn't have lasted if not for those supplies. Of course you Russians did fight off the Germans, but you would have been literally using Molotovs to do so if not for the Ammunition (tons of it) sent by the US.

These are just MERCHANT SHIPS that were sunk.

[pgardn]

What are you babbling about scro? Your American High School "education" clearly showing. Reinforcements were being withdrawn from Far East since July when Russians realized that Moscow defenses would soon be breached. Thats how they were ready for Moscow's defense and winter counter-offensives in autumn and winter, Japs declared war on US, in December, when German advance had already been slowed. Is that all you have? So asshurt desperate to deflect, that has to split hairs over a couple months.





http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=37

"Russians had been launching counteroffensives of various sizes since early Sep to slow the progress of the German army. The counteroffensives were largely planned under the leadership of Zhukov, a man who Stalin feared as a political threat but yet relied on so much to defend his capital. On 5 Dec, Zhukov saw the opportunity to launch a major counteroffensive, while at the same time he knew he could no longer take any chances; the German troops were too close to Moscow for his comfort. He called in his troops of Siberia and the Far East, who had been resting nearby for such a counteroffensive. T-34 tanks and Katyusha rocket launchers led the way for the fresh Russian soldiers, some of whom donned the white winter camouflage that became the subject of nightmares to the freezing retreating German troops. By 7 Jan 1942, the front lines were driven back anywhere between 100km to 250km. German forces would never again threaten Moscow directly for the rest of the war."



and


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern..._(World_War_II)

"During the autumn, Stalin had been transferring fresh, well-equipped Soviet forces from Siberia and the Far East to Moscow. On 5 December 1941, these reinforcements attacked the German lines around the Soviet capital, supported by new T-34 tanks and Katyusha rocket launchers. The new Soviet troops were better-prepared for winter warfare than their foes, and they also included several ski battalions. The exhausted and freezing Germans were driven away from Moscow on 7 January 1942."





Yes, dummy, like I said Japs decided since getting ted on in 1938 by the Russians, to concentrate on attacking the Chinese mainland, they were at war with China since 1938. Are you stupid? I just said that in a previous post, that's why they could remove some reserves because Japs were occupied with Chinese not Americans, the s should be thanked far more for keeping the Japs occupied than the US. Battle of Moscow was already decided by the time Japs attacked Pearl Harbour in December 9141. There was no war between Japs and Americans yet to influence Siberian reserves, re . Another dumbass American trying to overrate American involvement in WWII because he knows what an insignificant sideshow it was.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor


The attack on Pearl Harbor^{[nb 4]} was a surprise military strike conducted by the Imperial Japanese Navy against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of December 7, 1941 (December 8 in Japan). The attack led to the United States' entry into World War II.

All you have put up does absolutely nothing to refute my contention.

You think the whole group was moved on one date idiot?
Why were the troops in Siberia to begin with you babbling fool?

And the Japanese and Chinese had been going back and forth long before 1938!

[Molotov]

A few, you are talking about hundreds of ship. Americans sent so many ships to UK and Russian that the Germans couldn't possibly destroy them all. They would literally run out of torpedos from their attacks. It wasn't a few supplies, it was a load of supplies.

Over 4,000 ships where sunk in the first 3 years of the war. Americans sent 100's of ships to Russian. They wouldn't have lasted if not for those supplies. Of course you Russians did fight off the Germans, but you would have been literally using Molotovs to do so if not for the Ammunition (tons of it) sent by the US.

These are just MERCHANT SHIPS that were sunk.

Wow you're an idiot. These supplies didn't win the war as you claim, because the Russians never received significant amounts of supplies until after 1943, when all the decisive battles of the war were already over and Nazi's were in retreat. They were sending supplies before 1943 to England and other allies. That's why there are less ships sunk after 1943, because Germans had far important concern then their U-boats, like 300+ Russian divisions coming at them. And why did the US only send troops to open a second front in Europe in 1944, D-day, when the war was almost over? So from 1941 to 1944 June, Russians were pushing the Germans in, while the Americans were cowering behind the Atlantic, and could only manage to send some supplies. Finally, pussy Americans decided to send a few divisions to Normandy when the war is almost over.. Scurred little American es. No wonder you have to overrated your involvement in WWII, since there wasn't much of it.

[Molotov]

All you have put up does absolutely nothing to refute my contention.

You think the whole group was moved on one date idiot?
Why were the troops in Siberia to begin with you babbling fool?

And the Japanese and Chinese had been going back and forth long before 1938!

Actually, I already refuted your pathetic and re ed contentions. Let me explain for the third time, maybe this time your addled senile geezer brain will comprehend these simple concepts. Didn't you claim that the reason they could move those troops is because the Japs were occupied fighting Americans? I just refuted this re ed claim, by pointing out that the order to recall the troops from Siberia and Far East, came six months before the war between the Japs and Americans broke out, so that had no impact whatsoever on the deployment of Siberian reserves, because there was no ing war between Japs and Americans at the time the order was sent.

[Ignignokt]

Wow you're an idiot. These supplies didn't win the war as you claim, because the Russians never received significant amounts of supplies until after 1943, when all the decisive battles of the war were already over and Nazi's were in retreat. They were sending supplies before 1943 to England and other allies. That's why there are less ships sunk after 1943, because Germans had far important concern then their U-boats, like 300+ Russian divisions coming at them. And why did the US only send troops to open a second front in Europe in 1944, D-day, when the war was almost over? So from 1941 to 1944 June, Russians were pushing the Germans in, while the Americans were cowering behind the Atlantic, and could only manage to send some supplies. Finally, pussy Americans decided to send a few divisions to Normandy when the war is almost over.. Scurred little American es. No wonder you have to overrated your involvement in WWII, since there wasn't much of it.

You are a complete moron. Russia was being financed by American and British Bankers since it's inception up to the end of WW11.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wall-Street-.../dp/190557035X

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Stalin's turn to get "beat up" by Hollywood

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TODAY

i catch up on this thread

[Molotov]

You are a complete moron. Russia was being financed by American and British Bankers since it's inception up to the end of WW11.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wall-Street-.../dp/190557035X

Another asshurt got American that listens to German techno, with more wild claims from some loser failure writer that is trying to sell a few copies with by trying to give exagerated and far fetched opinions on the subject. His peers ignore him out of hand, you re ed got.

[Molotov]

Stalin's turn to get "beat up" by Hollywood

When you the most successful dictator in history of the world, as Lord Stalin is, due to winning the greatest war in history, WWII. Its quite understandable you`re bound to pick up a few ungrateful uneducated American haters.

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Stalin's turn to get "beat up" by Hollywood

Inf, once again.

[Ignignokt]

When you the most successful dictator in history of the world, as Lord Stalin is, due to winning the greatest war in history, WWII. Its quite understandable you`re bound to pick up a few ungrateful uneducated American haters.

LOL sitdown you silly got. When a developed nation went through 3x more famines than mexico during the same time period, you're just the Lord of Toilets.

Toilets everywhere.

[Molotov]

LOL sitdown you silly got. When a developed nation went through 3x more famines than mexico during the same time period, you're just the Lord of Toilets.

Toilets everywhere.

Pull that crack pipe out of your mouth got, that makes no sense. You're just upset due to America's insignificance in the greatest war the world has ever seen. WWII started in 1939, and ended 1945, America entered the war in Europe in June 1944 . Where were you front running pussy gots at during the first 5 years??? You were busy sending ty trucks and supplies, while Soviet Russia suffered over 20 million to earn the WWII Victory, scrah.





but ....but we won WWII cause we sent supplies
ty Ford trucks won WWII
frontrunning Americans
pussies hiding behind Atlantic during first 5 years of WWII
softest troops during WWII
ty Sherman tanks getting ted on by German Tigers over and over
gots


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[Ignignokt]

Pull that crack pipe out of your mouth got, that makes no sense. You're just upset due to America's insignificance in the greatest war the world has ever seen. WWII started in 1939, and ended 1945, America entered the war in Europe in June 1944 . Where were you front running pussy gots at during the first 5 years??? You were busy sending ty trucks and supplies, while Soviet Russia suffered over 20 million to earn the WWII Victory, scrah.





but ....but we won WWII cause we sent supplies
ty Ford trucks won WWII
frontrunning Americans
pussies hiding behind Atlantic during first 5 years of WWII
softest troops during WWII
ty Sherman tanks getting ted on by German Tigers over and over
gots


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got, u lost to finland.