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    ... there are ridiculous arguments against gun control, perhaps the silliest of which is*that the framers of the Cons ution wanted to preserve the possibility, or even encourage the idea, of armed rebellion against the government. It’s a particularly absurd argument when it comes from a member of Congress who is running for president.

    "The Second Amendment to the Cons ution isn’t for just protecting hunting rights, and it’s not only to safeguard your right to target practice,” said one of those people, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. “It is a Cons utional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny — for the protection of liberty.”

    So Mr. Cruz says people should own guns so they can shoot him if he gets out of hand as a senator or in the extremely unlikely event that he becomes president? Doing so, under any cir stances, would be a hideous crime and Mr. Cruz would be at the front of the line demanding that the shooter be executed...

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/taki..._r=0&referrer=
    Lol smh if this nut were to ever get into the white house. It's bad enough he's a senator from lol Texas

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    Uhhh...I think pretty much the same thing was said by some of the founders of the country. Of course the ordinary citizens are pretty outgunned now.

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    Lol smh if this nut were to ever get into the white house. It's bad enough he's a senator from lol Texas
    Once again here is the video

    you may disagree with him. but to make this view as crazy only hurts your point, and shows you as closed minded or stupid. I, like cosmiccowboy, agree.

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    right about pizzagate Blake's Avatar
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    I quoted a word for word email sent out by Cruz to supporters. Those words made sense in the late 1700s. But not today.

    My point stands that he's a crazy dumb ass that would scare the out of me if he gets to the white house.

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    I changed my mind.

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    Once again here is the video

    you may disagree with him. but to make this view as crazy only hurts your point, and shows you as closed minded or stupid. I, like cosmiccowboy, agree.
    Ok, watched the YouTube.

    "our rights don't come from government, they come from God"

    "we need guns for that ultimate check against government tyranny"

    Yeah, he's ing bat looney.

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    Ok, watched the YouTube.

    "our rights don't come from government, they come from God"

    "we need guns for that ultimate check against government tyranny"

    Yeah, he's ing bat looney.
    Seriously? Unalienable rights? That's from the declaration of independence. Once again, Cuomo, you could disagree but there's nothing crazy about that.

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    I know he had the caricature of crazy. But lately he's done a great job of explaining his beliefs.

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    Seriously? Unalienable rights? That's from the declaration of independence. Once again, Cuomo, you could disagree but there's nothing crazy about that.
    It's bull pandering. The guy is a phony as they come. It amuses me that you can't see that.

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    And @ guns.com

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    It's bull pandering. The guy is a phony as they come. It amuses me that you can't see that.
    Why does that amuse you? Do you smirk at your computer screen, thinking how these peons don't understand the complexities of politicians wanting to get elected? How your intellect is so vastly superior?
    Is Hilary less phony? Oh wait. I bet you're one of those Elizabeth Warren is the real deal? Umarite?

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    Aw, SnC found himself a hero.

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    As usual, you fun fellators TOTALLY ignore the historical context, reasoning that went into the 2nd Amendment, and distort it, as you are duped, dictated by the gun industry, which doesn't give a about rights, only about profits.

    Krazy Kruz is a purely evil demagogue. He will NEVER be US President, but he will, with all y'all Texians ignorant compliance, hinder, destroy PROGRESS and the remnants of US democracy.

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    The historical context is a check on government power. There is a big difference between advocating open rebellion against the government, which Cruz is not doing, and recognizing that an armed populace is a check on government power, which he is doing.

    I have a lot of problems with Cruz, but I'd vote for him in a heart beat just to see the liberal tears and anger. That being said, I don't think he has any real chance at all.

    ter McGee

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    The historical context is a check on government power.
    typical gun industry/NRA/GOA bull , 2nd amendment was to arm militias in the absence of an established govt standing military to fight EXTERNAL threats, not threats from the govt itself.

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    typical gun industry/NRA/GOA bull , 2nd amendment was to arm militias in the absence of an established govt standing military to fight EXTERNAL threats, not threats from the govt itself.
    Go do some research boutons. To be fair, I don't hold up the founding father's words to be perfection. They are just men and I have no problem with anybody who disagrees. What you said above in regards to external threats is also right, but you can't just pretend that it was not also a check on government power.

    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

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    The historical context is a check on government power.
    typical gun industry/NRA/GOA bull , 2nd amendment was to arm militias in the absence of an established govt standing military to fight EXTERNAL threats, not threats from the govt itself. Threats like the Enlish, French, Spanish, Indians.

    A major thrust of the Cons ution was to increase, strengthen the authority of the federal govt, to overcome the weaknesses of the unworkable Articles of Confederation. Only ignorant assholes would think the FF would write a Cons ution that would ARM the populace to fight against the central govt they were establishing.

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    Only ignorant assholes would think the FF would write a Cons ution that would ARM the populace to fight against the central govt they were establishing.
    Umm, that is exactly what they did because they feared a tyrannical government in the future.

    "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and cons ute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
    - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Cons ution, October 10, 1787
    Read the name of the work. I mean, I can pull a you on this subject and just pull quotes out my ass all day. The difference between my copypasta and yours is that I am quoting people who helped write the ing do ent and establish the federal government.

    ter McGee

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    Boutons head would explode if he had to get actual information from anything other than his left wing RSS feeds.

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    This is a guy that voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act, a law that enabled Big Gov to keep tabs on every citizen's activity, on top of providing all sorts of legalese to deny any kind of basic legal rights to "enemy combatants".

    And you can bet your ass any kind of "armed uprising" by any group will be labeled as a "terror act" on the spot.

    I've always been supportive of the 2nd amendment, so it's difficult to understand why Ted doesn't put his votes where his mouth is. IIRC, Rand Paul did, at least in shutting down the NSA spy program.

    Maybe it isn't that difficult. He's an integral part of that federal government he alleges to despise after all.

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    This is a guy that voted to re-authorize the Patriot Act, a law that enabled Big Gov to keep tabs on every citizen's activity, on top of providing all sorts of legalese to deny any kind of basic legal rights to "enemy combatants".

    And you can bet your ass any kind of "armed uprising" by any group will be labeled as a "terror act" on the spot.

    I've always been supportive of the 2nd amendment, so it's difficult to understand why Ted doesn't put his votes where his mouth is. IIRC, Rand Paul did, at least in shutting down the NSA spy program.

    Maybe it isn't that difficult. He's an integral part of that federal government he alleges to despise after all.
    I don't know where he's said he despises the federal govt.

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    I don't know where he's said he despises the federal govt.
    Really? Lambasting "Washington" isn't Ted's favorite past time?

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    typical gun industry/NRA/GOA bull , 2nd amendment was to arm militias in the absence of an established govt standing military to fight EXTERNAL threats, not threats from the govt itself.

    "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"

    "No clause could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both."

    "The prohibition is general. No clause in the Cons ution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both"


    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpations and arbitrary power of rulers; and it will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."



    I could on and on with these quotes specifically stating the right to bear arms was to give the people a means to check a tyrannical government.

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    Cruz is crazy but what a terrible example used by Blake to try and show he's crazy. Cruz actually got the bolded part right. Smh Blake.

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    Militia movements have fared so well against law enforcement and the national guard. Small arms aren't going to stop a local sheriff much less what the feds have. This is not 1783, dumb s. The South will rise again!

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