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Unfortunately, Tony the jumpshooter is an average efficiency player, IMO. If he's not a treat to attack the basket and finish, then the help doesn't come, the drive and kick doesn't work, we end up with a stagnated offense.
I think that he could be a good roleplayer. He had the outside shot going this year. But the team is not ready to have a pure motion offense like Atlanta. I guess we should root for Atlanta so that pop becomes more willing to bench parker. I think pop is going to ride TP for this post season until we get bounced. So be it.
Replacing parker outright is 3 years away. It's going to take lottery talent whether it comes via trade or draft.
Unfortunately, Tony the jumpshooter is an average efficiency player, IMO. If he's not a treat to attack the basket and finish, then the help doesn't come, the drive and kick doesn't work, we end up with a stagnated offense.
This is not true. But he needs help from the bigs to clear a path, and there just can't be a lot of congestion in the paint. When he was speedier, he could get past anybody.
He ate Denver up numerous times with DPOY Marcus Camby, a 7 footer...
Please go to bed son.
Sure, but I think of jump shooting as out of the paint. He got into the paint, even when it was clogged and missed some very good looking shots. Shots that even with how he's currently playing I think he can make at a good clip. It also got the Spurs a few open looks too and guys missed. But on the otherhand, there were a ton of really bad possessions too. It was either open look in the paint/around the court or just a cluster****.
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Looking at that short-chart, the bulk of his shots came from outside the paint. Now, I'm not going to blame him for settling, I think the Clippers did a good job of clogging the paint and we couldn't knock down the open looks to open it up. Plus they played better defense than we did offense, as Pop said. I don't expect Tony to suddenly become 2013 Tony, tbh... that's not happening at least these playoffs, so the Spurs will have to do a better, smarter job to space the floor and give him lanes to penetrate.
I just think overall our offense suffers when the end result is more jumpers than drive and finish/kicks.
Well, it looks like 6 of his 11 shots came within 10 feet. I mean, even if some where outside of the paint, that's about as close as you can get and not really jumpshooting is what I was getting at.
But I agree overall with TP settling. I just didn't see that last night IMO. Think he did drive some. But the other possessions were so bad it didn't matter. Spurs got a lot more uncontested looks than I thought, but also their looks that were contested were so bad it didn't matter.
Talking about 6 feet, I like his floater. He's not gone to it as much this season, and it's a mystery to me why. I think that's an effective shot for him, and I'd like to see more of it.
Agreed and that is still plenty deep enough to collapse a defense. Doesn't have to go all the way in for the layup, especially if DJ is there.
More importantly, he has to be the one to beat that hard trap at the point of attack. Jordan was wayyyyy out of position numerous times with that strategy but Spurs didn't make them pay. TP and Manu are the only ones with good enough ball handling to blow that up.
gut wun...
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Are you doubling up screen names as a dumb ?
No one is as malicious about it as Westbrook. It's the only way Tony knows to play; he's either the go to guy on offense or he's not involved. He's not big enough to set a decent pick, can't defend anyone with handles very well and that extra weight he's packed on doesn't help. I think he just doesn't have that explosive 1st step to get around the defender. There were many times last night when I saw open opportunities for TP to not pull up at the arc because there was no one in the front court, and TP of old would have exploited that and collapsed all the defenders to shut him down, he'd hit a roller down the middle who would find a wide open 3pt shooter on the wing who'd pull both defenders and dump off to the corner for a wide open look, or go back underneath to the roller who set a pick and now is free to lay the ball in. All of that starts with Tony collapsing the defense and getting people off their rotations. Tony wasn't doing that. If he cannot do that, he needs to sit down.
Sure, but he was looking for HIS shot, not trying to move the defense. That 6 of 11 from within 10 feet weren't because the defense collapsed. He went around a screen and took a jumper. We can get that any day all day, it's not a great look and doesn't do to move the defense. That's Monta Ellis type stuff.
Manu drove some as did a few other people. Opponents typically call timeouts because of Tony's penetration during his one man fast break, during the spin moves and up and unders and that floater in the lane. He's only doing pull up jumpers now.But I agree overall with TP settling. I just didn't see that last night IMO. Think he did drive some. But the other possessions were so bad it didn't matter. Spurs got a lot more uncontested looks than I thought, but also their looks that were contested were so bad it didn't matter.
He got into the painted area enough for me to have some optimism. It's not like Mills can collapse a defense. Neither can Cory. Plus they have much weaker handles than TP/Manu. Spurs got some good looks off of TP getting within 10 feet of the basket - he just needs to find a few times where he goes all the way and it will be a good balance.
It's no where near where he was pre-hammy, but I saw some good things last night in that regard. If he continues to play really poorly (whether that's settling, over-dribbling or just not hitting even the good looks) I am confident you will see him play less. However, the issue with that is (based on the GM1 LAC defense) the lack of legit ball handling against a very aggressive, hedging team at the point of attack.
Don't want to see Leonard begging Belinelli for the ball when Crawford was guarding him and DJordan was on the bench. Or begging Tony when he was wide open in the 1rst and 3rd quarter.
It's not this game, we watched he barely touch the ball for whole quarters, maybe people want the team pass Leonard the ball when he demands it.
Probably they want the coach facilitate Kawhi's offense in other ways.
A week ago, Manu said Kawhi can create his own shot now, that means there is a team-consensus that he can do it after watching him in practices and games.
So where the screen set for him, where's the space to operate when the team play most minutes with two bigs like Tim-Tiago/Tim-Baynes...
Sadly, Pop was unable to find better ways to involve, build and accompany Kawhi's offensive game into the new role.
However, about the massive expansion of his offensive role, his usage rate and attempts didn't increase extremely high this season.
About Parker.Agree with you it's not malicious, maybe is some court vision issue, lack of playmakers skills, or just his offensive game, but that's an issue especially in playoffs.He ignores more than others so it stands out, but again, I don't think it's malicious.
An elite PG can ignore some guy who plays 5 minutes per game but he shouldn't ignore Kawhi or the player who has the favorable matchup.
I'm not really concerned with the long run. We'll have time to worry about that in the post season. Right now we have the ability to beat the Clippers and who knows what happens elsewhere, you have to be positioned to take advantage of situations that present themselves, like key players going down and suddenly your path to the Finals is much easier, but if you the bed in the 1st round you watch the Clippers go get the kicked out of them by the Cavs.
Agree with you he's the best player on this team, the FMVP and top 10-15 player in the league. But how you can blame a player for the mediocre team-play when that player barely touch the ball for whole quarters, when he must beg for the ball when he is open...?
You can remember when Kawhi had 18 or more attempts in a game? I don't, but I recall those numbers in Tony/Tim best seasons.
We can't blame Kawhi when he isn't the offensive centerpiece of the Spurs system, not having the offense run through him.
I guess you did not read OP. I don't put all the blame on him I put most of, the whole team played bad, our best player had a subpar game on both end of the floor.
Spurs just looked bad altogether. Not one player's fault. They were collectively bad. The good news is that we can play a lot better. I think Clippers played about as good as they can.
OP about KawhiI said "But how you can blame a player for the mediocre team-play when that player barely touch the ball for whole quarters, when he must beg for the ball when he is open...when he isn't the offensive centerpiece of the Spurs system, not having the offense run through him? "
You asked why and I answered it.
^ok
most FGAs
4 TOs
struggling against double team
subpar defense
i guess all dat is because he is not centerpiece of offense.... Player fans
Brazil, give it up bruh. You took weiners to the face in this thread.
4 steals but keep deflecting.
1 assist 2 turnover
more shots than points.
more turnovers than assist.
1:1 faceplant to assist ratio.
Rivers Jr taking him to school.
couldn't take arguably the worst PG off the dribble and s trying to blame Kawhi.Rivers Jr taking him to school.
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