The Frenchie

[TheGreatYacht]

Nothing but a bunch of ing suckers in this place...always hating on the guys that are most responsible for making the Spurs into a championship organization (Pop, Manu, or Tony), only one that gets a pass is Tim. However, god for bid someone calling a scrub like Danny Green a system player and 3/4 of ST gets offended.

[cd98]

Phoenix was a perfect matchup for his score-first mentality and he definitely played well against them. I wouldn't necessarily call it ' ' on Nash though since Nash usually got his on the other end and orchestrated his team. Besides it was a collective team effort, let's not give Rique all the credit...Manu and Timmy used to get theirs too.

The reality of his FMVP is that he for sure wasn't anywhere the best player on the team (Timmy was) and that its pretty safe to say that Manu was better than him too. Did he ball out vs. a scrub? Yes, but let's also not act like he was a prototypical FMVP winner. So in summary, he won his as a 3rd best player on a team going head to head with a guy named Boobie...or in other words his FMVP doesn't belong in the same class as true alphas' FMVPs. It just wasn't that impressive. Even Manu's near FMVP in '05 deserves more respect and he has no FMVP hardware to show for it.

I don't think Parker was necessarily the best player during the 2007 run, but he certainly could make the argument. Yes, he dispatched a weak Cleveland team in the finals, but he had tough point guard matchups in the second and third round, and was similarly dominant. He played well against Steve Nash (although I'd admit that scoring on Steve Nash is not that impressive). He also played well against Deron Williams when he was with the Jazz. Now Deron has been mostly horrible the last several years of his career, but his Jazz years were a different story and he was having a great year the year he played Tony. I'm not saying Tony is a top 10 all-time great point guard, he's not (though probably still a Hall of Famer), but he was impressive in 2007, and he's had great years since. At 32, like most that age, he's not what he was, but at this point, he's what we've got, so no use complaining about it until the offseason.

[cd98]

Phoenix was a perfect matchup for his score-first mentality and he definitely played well against them. I wouldn't necessarily call it ' ' on Nash though since Nash usually got his on the other end and orchestrated his team. Besides it was a collective team effort, let's not give Rique all the credit...Manu and Timmy used to get theirs too.

The reality of his FMVP is that he for sure wasn't anywhere the best player on the team (Timmy was) and that its pretty safe to say that Manu was better than him too. Did he ball out vs. a scrub? Yes, but let's also not act like he was a prototypical FMVP winner. So in summary, he won his as a 3rd best player on a team going head to head with a guy named Boobie...or in other words his FMVP doesn't belong in the same class as true alphas' FMVPs. It just wasn't that impressive. Even Manu's near FMVP in '05 deserves more respect and he has no FMVP hardware to show for it.

Also, Lebron tried guarding Parker a little in that series to no avail. He was flat out dominating.

[weebo]

That scrub was more important last year and this year than Parker. What's wrong with this place is gots like you who choose to live in the past.

STFU sucker

[Spur-Addict]

Enrique has 4 rings bc he had Pop, Timmy and Manu. He has a FMVP bc he was better than some dude named Boogie, Barbosa was better than that scrub too. Besides bringing up accomplishments is dumb when their situations were completely different. It's like blaming a crack baby for not being as good in life as a person that had a priviliged upbringing.

Talent wise they had similar strengths and similar weaknesses. If Barbosa would've had Pop to maximize those strengths like Rique did who knows what he could've been. Likewise, if Enrique would've been in a bad situation he might've ended up being just another undersized, scoring SG.

Boobie!!! It...was....Boobie....

[FkLA]

I don't think Parker was necessarily the best player during the 2007 run, but he certainly could make the argument. Yes, he dispatched a weak Cleveland team in the finals, but he had tough point guard matchups in the second and third round, and was similarly dominant. He played well against Steve Nash (although I'd admit that scoring on Steve Nash is not that impressive). He also played well against Deron Williams when he was with the Jazz. Now Deron has been mostly horrible the last several years of his career, but his Jazz years were a different story and he was having a great year the year he played Tony. I'm not saying Tony is a top 10 all-time great point guard, he's not (though probably still a Hall of Famer), but he was impressive in 2007, and he's had great years since. At 32, like most that age, he's not what he was, but at this point, he's what we've got, so no use complaining about it until the offseason.

Over Duncan, really? There are other aspects to basketball besides scoring.

'07 became a breeze once the Mavs choked. The team didn't face any dominant defensive teams, which is the type of teams Enrique has historically struggled with in the playoffs.

[weebo]

That scrub was more important last year and this year than Parker. What's wrong with this place is gots like you who choose to live in the past.

Srsly, living in the past? As far as I know, Parker, Manu, and Pop are still an integral part of this team. Yet some of you suckers still bash them because they're not in their prime.

[SASdynasty!]

MVParker might be the best pg of his time tbh. Too bad his 2013 Alpha Championship was stolen because Pop was being an idiot. And now he's just Enrique.

For real

[will_spurs]

If Barbosa had had Parker's talent, he would have been at least as good as Parker.

QFT.

[ElNono]

Nothing but a bunch of ing suckers in this place...always hating on the guys that are most responsible for making the Spurs into a championship organization (Pop, Manu, or Tony), only one that gets a pass is Tim. However, god for bid someone calling a scrub like Danny Green a system player and 3/4 of ST gets offended.

They ride the short bus for a reason tbqh

what are you laughing at? he's calling you out...

[cd98]

Over Duncan, really? There are other aspects to basketball besides scoring.

'07 became a breeze once the Mavs choked. The team didn't face any dominant defensive teams, which is the type of teams Enrique has historically struggled with in the playoffs.

I'm not saying he's better than Duncan, but for a stretch of games, Tony was arguably playing the best ball on the team. No, they didn't face any dominant defensive teams, but he faced a good defensive point guard in Deron Williams in the WCF. Tim Duncan had his way against NY and NJ in two different NBA finals, and neither of those teams had anyone that could guard him. That didn't diminish his performance; it was still all-time great. And before you google NY, they did have a very young Marcus Camby, but he wasn't the same defensive player he became in Denver. And NJ had Martin, but he was an undersized PF that had no chance of stopping Duncan and Mutumbo was a backup center at that point in his career and didn't have the foot speed to keep up with Duncan. That said, I wouldn't use the matchups to diminish what Tim accomplished. He was all world.

[cd98]

Over Duncan, really? There are other aspects to basketball besides scoring.

'07 became a breeze once the Mavs choked. The team didn't face any dominant defensive teams, which is the type of teams Enrique has historically struggled with in the playoffs.

Everybody struggles against good defensive teams. Even Tim struggled against Detroit's front line. Parker has done well against tough playoff matchups in the past. He's done well against Paul and he did well against Lebron the last two years. Give the guy some credit, even if you hate him.

[SASdynasty!]

One of the most unstoppable scoring PG's of all time. Greatest floater ever, greatest spin move ever. Another amazing playoff run for TP9. Great video.

[FkLA]

I'm not saying he's better than Duncan, but for a stretch of games, Tony was arguably playing the best ball on the team. No, they didn't face any dominant defensive teams, but he faced a good defensive point guard in Deron Williams in the WCF. Tim Duncan had his way against NY and NJ in two different NBA finals, and neither of those teams had anyone that could guard him. That didn't diminish his performance; it was still all-time great. And before you google NY, they did have a very young Marcus Camby, but he wasn't the same defensive player he became in Denver. And NJ had Martin, but he was an undersized PF that had no chance of stopping Duncan and Mutumbo was a backup center at that point in his career and didn't have the foot speed to keep up with Duncan. That said, I wouldn't use the matchups to diminish what Tim accomplished. He was all world.

lol for stretches

Either he was or wasn't the alpha of the team, none of that stretches crap. The truth is Duncan was the undisputed alpha of the team for the first four les. That's why I say Enrique's FMVP isn't a prototypical one. A prototypical one is won by upper tier guys like MJ, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, etc--it's usually what's most common. The next tier is guys like Worthy or Dumars. Then at the bottom of the totem pole it's guys like Billups and Enrique.

Everybody struggles against good defensive teams. Even Tim struggled against Detroit's front line. Parker has done well against tough playoff matchups in the past. He's done well against Paul and he did well against Lebron the last two years. Give the guy some credit, even if you hate him.

Duncan's struggles usually mean he had to work harder for his. Enrique's struggles usually mean he's been completely neutralized. There lies the difference between the two.

[cd98]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-postseason-pg

[cd98]

lol for stretches

Either he was or wasn't the alpha of the team, none of that stretches crap. The truth is Duncan was the undisputed alpha of the team for the first four les. That's why I say Enrique's FMVP isn't a prototypical one. A prototypical one is won by upper tier guys like MJ, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, etc--it's usually what's most common. The next tier is guys like Worthy or Dumars. Then at the bottom of the totem pole it's guys like Billups and Enrique.



Duncan's struggles usually mean he had to work harder for his. Enrique's struggles usually mean he's been completely neutralized. There lies the difference between the two.

Enrique has played well against great defensive teams, for example, the Grizzlies. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-postseason-pg

[hitmanyr2k]

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[FkLA]

Enrique has played well against great defensive teams, for example, the Grizzlies. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-postseason-pg

'13 Enrique was awesome. That's about the only year he was truly dominant and even did then faltered vs the Heatles for the most part.

Lakers, Pistons, Thunder, '11 Grizz, Heatles, etc he hasn't played very well.

[LongtimeSpursFan]

lol for stretches

Either he was or wasn't the alpha of the team, none of that stretches crap. The truth is Duncan was the undisputed alpha of the team for the first four les. That's why I say Enrique's FMVP isn't a prototypical one. A prototypical one is won by upper tier guys like MJ, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, etc--it's usually what's most common. The next tier is guys like Worthy or Dumars. Then at the bottom of the totem pole it's guys like Billups and Enrique.



Duncan's struggles usually mean he had to work harder for his. Enrique's struggles usually mean he's been completely neutralized. There lies the difference between the two.

LOL....left out Kawhi.

[Silver&Black]

Phoenix was a perfect matchup for his score-first mentality and he definitely played well against them. I wouldn't necessarily call it ' ' on Nash though since Nash usually got his on the other end and orchestrated his team. Besides it was a collective team effort, let's not give Rique all the credit...Manu and Timmy used to get theirs too.

The reality of his FMVP is that he for sure wasn't anywhere the best player on the team (Timmy was) and that its pretty safe to say that Manu was better than him too. Did he ball out vs. a scrub? Yes, but let's also not act like he was a prototypical FMVP winner. So in summary, he won his as a 3rd best player on a team going head to head with a guy named Boobie...or in other words his FMVP doesn't belong in the same class as true alphas' FMVPs. It just wasn't that impressive. Even Manu's near FMVP in '05 deserves more respect and he has no FMVP hardware to show for it.

I just don't get it FkLa....I just don't. Now it's the "Phoenix was the perfect matchup" card. A lot of teams in the NBA had trouble with that same exact team. People even say that if Horry didn't hipcheck Nash...Phoenix is no longer 0 for. And what games were you watching? Parker absolutely ted on Nash. These were the years that TP was leading the league (or close to the top) in points in the paint.

You're not being fair here. You must think I'm just another Enrique ...but I'm not. I have told you 100 times that the guy is hot garbage this year. The problem is you somehow think he's always been this bad.....and he was just riding Duncan's coattails. This could not further from the truth. He's the best PG in franchise history.

You simply will not or cannot give the guy one ounce of credit. You think because you're a huge Kawhi fan....that somehow makes it impossible to give the guy one compliment. ( Player Fans) I swear to God FkLA....you're one step away from saying that we should have drafted someone differently with the 28th pick in the 01 draft.

[dabom]

I just don't get it FkLa....I just don't. Now it's the "Phoenix was the perfect matchup" card. A lot of teams in the NBA had trouble with that same exact team. People even say that if Horry didn't hipcheck Nash...Phoenix is no longer 0 for. And what games were you watching? Parker absolutely ted on Nash. These were the years that TP was leading the league (or close to the top) in points in the paint.

You're not being fair here. You must think I'm just another Enrique ...but I'm not. I have told you 100 times that the guy is hot garbage this year. The problem is you somehow think he's always been this bad.....and he was just riding Duncan's coattails. This could not further from the truth. He's the best PG in franchise history.

You simply will not or cannot give the guy one ounce of credit. You think because you're a huge Kawhi fan....that somehow makes it impossible to give the guy one compliment. ( Player Fans) I swear to God FkLA....your one step away from saying that we should have drafted someone differently with the 28th pick in the 01 draft.

You are a mainstream player fan though.

[Silver&Black]

You are a mainstream player fan though.

got

[Silver&Black]

And what did I tell you about quoting me dabom....I don't care about your basketball takes. Because they're worse than Parker is this year.

Tell me again about how CP3 leads the Clippers in defensive rating???? A PG leading a team in defensive rating....you can't make this up.

[TheGreatYacht]

And what did I tell you about quoting me dabom....I don't care about your basketball takes. Because they're worse than Parker is this year.

Tell me again about how CP3 leads the Clippers in defensive rating???? A PG leading a team in defensive rating....you can't make this up.

[dabom]

And what did I tell you about quoting me dabom....I don't care about your basketball takes. Because they're worse than Parker is this year.

Tell me again about how CP3 leads the Clippers in defensive rating???? A PG leading a team in defensive rating....you can't make this up.

Top 5 player. O well. I'm not wrong about anything about the spurs though. The whole year you've been a mainstream player fan.