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He even almost screwed that up, he tried hard to convince his dad to take ing Pavel Podkolzin over Devin with the #5 pick or whatever it was.
He'll fit perfect in LA. He and Kirbs can both quit together when the going gets tough.
He even almost screwed that up, he tried hard to convince his dad to take ing Pavel Podkolzin over Devin with the #5 pick or whatever it was.
Anyone with a brain who isn't enamored with "names" knew Rondo had been really, really bad the past couple years. However, that doesn't mean the value of the gamble was bad. Sometimes trades are a gamble. While this one looks terrible after the fact (and many of us argued he wouldn't help at the time of the trade too), he didn't give up anything major to say it wasn't worth the gamble at the time.
Rondo is awful, he's a bad fit everywhere that would actually be tyring to win a le, but Mavs had to do something. If anything, I don't fault the price, I fault the impatience.
At this point I just hope re-breaks his face and throws out his back for real if you know whottt I mean
Yep, the impatience killed them, but they did have to make a move..I hear a lot of people discuss how good they were prior to Rondo's acquisition, but their schedule was pretty weak IIRC..you weren't going to win a le with Jameer Nelson as your starting PG in 2015..
People really overrate the players they gave up, too..Brandan Wright is a pretty good backup C, but his cap was 15 MPG, and he didn't do anything of note after being traded..
Jae Crowder is a good bench guy, but they already have Aminu, a player that may even be better than Crowder..
The only problem was that there was ultimately several, much superior PG options that they could have acquired at the deadline..Dragic, Brandon Knight, Isiah Thomas, etc..all much better players than Rondo, and in Thomas's case, a rich man's Jameer Nelson
I'd argue that giving up Wright was worse than losing Nelson.
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Am I the only wiz with common sense who sees what's going on here?...
Rondo is not hurt and never has been since in Dallas.....Kobe basically shut him down as payback to the Mark Cuban CP3 trade to Lakers complaints to the league....Rondo will be in LA next year on a 3yr / 30 million deal....Rondo is jacking it...just like Odom did yalls ass...Rondo is still a top flight guard and will prove it next year in LA...he's perfect for us since all he wants to do is run and facilitate the offense...nothing but Morons in Dallas that don't know how to integrate add-on talent...
This.Yep, the impatience killed them, but they did have to make a move..I hear a lot of people discuss how good they were prior to Rondo's acquisition, but their schedule was pretty weak IIRC..you weren't going to win a le with Jameer Nelson as your starting PG in 2015..
People really overrate the players they gave up, too
Jae Crowder is a good bench guy, but they already have Aminu, a player that may even be better than Crowder..
The only problem was that there was ultimately several, much superior PG options that they could have acquired at the deadline..Dragic, Brandon Knight, Isiah Thomas, etc..all much better players than Rondo, and in Thomas's case, a rich man's Jameer Nelson
Mavs had to pull the trigger and did so rightfully. Did not work out, move on.
No one expected Mavs to maintain their historic offensive efficiency rate ... rondo trade or no but many of us argued it was a dumb deal so it's not like this is revisionist history. Plus sure Crowder and Wright are not great players but what do they have that this team is lacking is speed and athleticism which are both in short supply for the Mavs this series. Also when viewing the trade many are looking at the value of the individual pieces but sometimes a bench is better as a unit because the pieces fit. I would say the Rox bench Brewer and Josh Smith are not great individual players but are good fits together
You can spin it however you wish. It was bad trade, gamble or experiment.It's not Harden trade bad nor did it cost the Mavs a le or even extremely valuable assets but it was still bad.
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I even get why the Mavs were impatient too. They knew they had a gaping hole and what they wanted. They had a checklist like I mentioned before:
o PG
o Fair price
o Big enough name to be Splashy
Although they should have waited, when they had the chance to get Rondo at such a cheap gamble of a price, they took it because that gave them the longest amount of time to tinker with working him in. That makes sense to me. It's not Rick's fault that Rondo is a quitter - he's dealing with the hand he was dealt.
Speed and athleticism isn't what is killing the Mavs. It's having no PG, not enough shooters and zero wing depth with Parson's out.
Wright doesn't solve any of those issues in this series combined with the fact Dirk looked awful last night.
Bynum somehow destroyed the Pacers without even being on the court, he's in a class of cancer all by himself.
% Chance of Rondo a Laker next year?
So pick n roll defense, transition defense being able to stay in front of their man has no impact on why their defense is struggling? Sure they couldnt hit shots, but that game was lost on defense not offense. Wright and Crowder could have helped on defense sure they still lose with Dirk and Ellis shooting poorly but with better defense they probably dont get run off in the 4th ...
Isn't Crowder a wing. Isn't Wright a better defender than Amare?
Arent more options for matchups and depth great tools for a coach like RC to have?
You can't play Wright and Tyson, that would mean no Dirk. You could play Dirk/Wright, but he's worse than Tyson. You could play Crowder, but that likely means no Aminu. Aminu played well, do you really gain anything there? There are multiple problems as is usually the case, I was just talking about their biggest problems.
Sure, in hind site, having Jae/Wright instead of Rondo would be a lot better for depth purposes, but having a competent PG and enough shooters would be even better.
Unless you subscribe to the theory that Rodman threw the playoff game against Houston shooting 3 pointers and not covering Horry, because he had gambling problems and was mad at GM "Bill" Bass for not giving him a new contract.Nope! Rodman got 5 rangs. He wasn't the problem.
Rondo rang too, what's your point?Nope! Rodman got 5 rangs. He wasn't the problem.
Too big a conspiracy theory. He just didn't give a .
How much did he cost himself this year?
That was my problem with the trade as others have noted is that for him to be effective he really does need great not just good shooters around him. not only that, it's obvious not only has he hurt spacing because he cant shoot but the fit of him and Ellis was doomed from the start. SO you not only hurt Dirk by allowing defenses to sag off you also take the ball out of the hands of your best wing scorer so Rondo can stay "engaged". You can always make a case why someone made a bad decision and you have made very reasonable ones, DPG so glad to see you posting. but when this forum, full of smart hoop minds, ty trolls and basketball re s (unfortunately not enough of the former) almost universally was against the trade. IF we could see this why couldnt a man as smart as cuban and donnie see it? I would hope my team's FO would be smarter than a board ruled by trolls ....
called it last night after the game:
He's a free agent this summer, but there's no way this doesn't have an impact, tbh...
I can only think of single owner that would overlook such behavior... he's being served Martinis by his director of scouting...
Well, I have thought about that line of reasoning for numerous things and the most consistent thing I could come up with is that we on here look at things more purely probably than someone with a basketball job making those decisions. What I mean by that is we only consider basketball and in honesty probably watch a lot more of other teams than many do. Not only that, we don't have the pressure of salary cap management, profit, etc..all of the other factors that go into a decision.
Nor do we have the pressure. So while no doubt they probably underestimated how terrible he was at basketball, they also saw a big name and a chance to make a splash/create buzz and factored that in while we did not.
Sure, some of the guys running teams I think are legitimately stupid at basketball related decisions, but they take into consideration things we don't other than just basketball/winning games. I don't agree with that mindset and its a closed club mostly with the same guys being recycled over and over it seems like (although coaching is going away from that with more new blood than ever), but that's what I reason in my head in situations like these.
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