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    Play kyle anderson. those little guards won't know what to do.

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    Didn't even know Conley was hurt myself, hadn't been following his team. What a warrior.

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    Spurs need a healthy Parker. They can survive a game or two or maybe even a series but the place where him being gone hurts is our depth. Then guys like Patty and Ginobili are asked to start and the punch of the bench isn't the same. I think it s with chemistry and rotations more than anything.

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    Spurs need a healthy Parker. They can survive a game or two or maybe even a series but the place where him being gone hurts is our depth. Then guys like Patty and Ginobili are asked to start and the punch of the bench isn't the same. I think it s with chemistry and rotations more than anything.
    That's why Pop will start Cojo if Parker cannot play. Mills still comes off the bench. Of course, having Tony on deck would be better.

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    That's called flopping bro... Your boy is the most known player in the NBA for that.

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    That's why Pop will start Cojo if Parker cannot play. Mills still comes off the bench. Of course, having Tony on deck would be better.
    Yeah I get that but it's just that Cojo isn't the same threat Tony used to be. It hurts my soul that Tony isn't nearly what he used to be. Guy used to be a ing beast and we'd be so much better with him. I guess my point is kind of moot because it seems Tony just isn't that same player anymore. I guess I'm just butt hurt lol.

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    Yeah I get that but it's just that Cojo isn't the same threat Tony used to be. It hurts my soul that Tony isn't nearly what he used to be. Guy used to be a ing beast and we'd be so much better with him. I guess my point is kind of moot because it seems Tony just isn't that same player anymore. I guess I'm just butt hurt lol.
    The problem really is injuries ... he looked superb in Berlin when I watched him live and he was great during March when he was healthy. I know Cojo is no TP replacement, but I think the WCF are possible to reach without TP.

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    The problem really is injuries ... he looked superb in Berlin when I watched him live and he was great during March when he was healthy. I know Cojo is no TP replacement, but I think the WCF are possible to reach without TP.
    I believe in this team no doubt. I agree they can do some serious damage as long as they play their game. I hope you are right about TP and it's not just a dramatic drop off athletically.

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    Play kyle anderson. those little guards won't know what to do.
    I'd love to see Anderson take a crack at Doc's son.

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    That doesn't work and you know it. Matt Bonner was the king of +/- for years but do you really think he was the best player on the team?
    He's been using that re ed logic forever. Yah, the team is better without Tony...translation: our bench outscores theirs more than our starters outscore theirs. It's not that difficult...he tries to make it sound like Parker is a negative +/- or something, which is ludicrous.

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    And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs..

    using popularity awards and points scored as an argument

    My bad, should have cherry-picked an advanced stat to make my point and here I am using points and coach-voted awards.

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    And the team was statistically better when was on the bench throughout the playoffs..

    using popularity awards and points scored as an argument
    So what you're saying is we would have won the championship easier if Tony wasn't leading our team in scoring and assists. Ok, cool. I guess it would have been nice to have swept through the playoffs, but with Tony leading the team in production we had to settle for a 16-7 playoff run. Dang.

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    He's been using that re ed logic forever. Yah, the team is better without Tony...translation: our bench outscores theirs more than our starters outscore theirs. It's not that difficult...he tries to make it sound like Parker is a negative +/- or something, which is ludicrous.
    Yeah it's hard to rebut succinctly and there are no obvious slam dunk stats to counter the argument. Harlem himself made the counter case long ago. But then it's been spammed hundreds of times without analysis.

    To add though: Parker faced more targeted defensive attention and, our bench was historically balls out great last year. It's great Parker wasn't needed last year, but that's a highly specific scenario that caused that. Not likely to see that again and definitely not seen recently

    Seems like this deserves a thread of it's own but now is not he time. Lots of Parker talk over the summer.

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    maybe he won't try to hero ball and play point guard for once

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    What's it like? Making arguments You know to be false? Must be exhausting.

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    maybe he won't try to hero ball and play point guard for once
    Solid. Take. Thanks for using those buzzwords.

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    Parker needs to sit the down if he's injured. Him pushing it is only going to make things worse for himself and the team.

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    Solid. Take. Thanks for using those buzzwords.
    injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.

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    injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.
    It's true that he has relied more and more on his elite passing skills to be an effective player. That said, he still loves to take ill-advised threes just to let us know that his play cannot be totally contained.

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    injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.
    You're halfway there. What you meant to say is that Parker should play within his bodies limits, run the offense without taking shots, get kawhi the dang ball, and play limited minutes.

    The problem is you said none of that in two posts! I'm only mad because the same thing gets discussed all the time.

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    injuries changed manu's game for the better once he realized he was older and couldn't cut to the basket like he used to.
    Yeah...but Manu always had elite court vision and the willingness to work his ass off.

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    You're halfway there. What you meant to say is that Parker should play within his bodies limits, run the offense without taking shots, get kawhi the dang ball, and play limited minutes.

    The problem is you said none of that in two posts! I'm only mad because the same thing gets discussed all the time.

    putting words in my mouth.

    parker is trying to much to force plays that he used to be able to make but not any more. but since manu was able to make that transition to being a facilitator rather than creator, i think it's possible for parker to do so if he has the willpower. he's too slow now to create double teams.

    but with parker in that role we can see the kind of ball movement we saw last year with manu running point imo, and parker has more potential.

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    You're halfway there. What you meant to say is that Parker should play within his bodies limits, run the offense without taking shots, get kawhi the dang ball, and play limited minutes.

    The problem is you said none of that in two posts! I'm only mad because the same thing gets discussed all the time.
    You understand that if Parker is not at least a perceived threat to score, then the Clippers won't guard him and it will mess up our offense? He shouldn't take 25 shots, and he won't. But he needs to be aggressive on getting in the lane to wreck havoc and he needs to shoot off the pick and roll if they leave him open. If the Clippers don't perceive him as a threat and don't guard him, he has to punish him like he did the Rockets a few weeks back. I'm concerned that he can be that offensive threat with how slowly he appears to be moving despite metrics earlier in the season showing he is still one of the fastest guards in the league. But if the Clippers don't have to guard him, then they can double Tim and Kawhi and ruin the spacing. It would really hurt our overall offense.

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    Haha, we're arguing over nothing. I just wanted to call out some laziness do that there's actual something to debate. Hero ball means nothing.

    As for me, I'd like Parker to start shoot a few times. Get a feel and then turn to patty. 20m for Parker seems good.


    Too many variables to say definitely what should happen:

    How bad is Parker hurt?
    How will the clippers treat him?
    Is patty ready?

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    The problem might be with Parker's injuries he is going to go good once warm and acclimated. Then you sit him and its a done deal, he might freeze up. Pop has got a tough job. Those easy 3rd or 4th quarter points we used to get from him when the offense got disrupted may be history. And even just running the point and not getting smothered may only occur in his first 8 minutes.

    For all the CP hate, the guy plays a pestering D, and he can sense a player's weakness very quickly imo. This is not James Harden D.

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