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    that whole thought process is only including those species which have properly adapted to survive. if you only look at those species, sure, it might look "planned" or "known." but does that mean 99.9% of species (which have gone extinct) were just genetically "stupid"?

    i mean its easy to look at flowers and bees and their synergy and think "wow, they must have planned this, its so perfect."

    and then you realize that 99.9% of all plant species that ever lived have gone extinct and that 99.9% of all insect species that ever lived have gone extinct. i guess those just weren't very good planners
    Truth nuke. People see this "perfect" system and think it is obviously indicative of design, when it's really just the harsh reality of the environment and fellow lifeforms eliminating the less adapted.

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    Hi everyone, I will answer questions here.

    There is only one true god and it is oblivion. Which is not a god. Or a thing. But it is everything. It takes a while to explain which is why i think we should start with q

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    Why won't you answer the question? The answer is even bolded for you. If an evolutionary biologist is willing to say it, why aren't you?
    Go back and carefully re-read your bolded text. Whose word is "decision", and why is it in quotes?

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    Go back and carefully re-read your bolded text. Whose word is "decision", and why is it in quotes?
    lol still won't answer.

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    I'm not trying to be disrespectful but your unwilling to answer the simple question xellos raised. I given you examples and you keep changing your tune.

    Let's see...
    Mutations are random
    Mutations aren't random
    Natural selection isn't evolution
    etc. etc.

    That seems like flailing to me.
    I think you are confusing your lack of comprehension with my "flailing".

    Sorry. I really can't help you, if you can't take personal responsibility and do some more reading.

    Xellos raised a question that includes as an inherent assumption, something that is false.

    If I were to ask you the common example of "when did you stop beating your wife" or "when did you stop stealing from your employer" you would be just as unable to answer it, because the assumption required to effectively answer it, i.e. "you are beating your wife" or "you are/were stealing from your employer" are false.

    Quite frankly, I am just as confused as to what question you think I am avoiding.

    how in the do complex creatures evolve from that when a single cell is incapable of determining it's own surroundings? How does it know to adapt and evolve without intelligent thought? How does it know that hey, it is cold... need a thicker membrane or something.
    The answer to the questions above is:

    They do not know.

    Out of all the non-lethal random mutations or existing traits, some will be, on balance, beneficial. Organisms with more beneficial traits than competing organisms will tend to reproduce more than organisms that lack it.

    That's it.

    I have directly answered that question, and addressed his point.

    Unless you think there is some other question I am avoiding? You will have to clear that up, if you want it answered.

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    lol still won't answer.
    You didn't go back and re-read it, did you?

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    They do not know.
    lol "they"...I was asking you.

    They do not know.

    Out of all the non-lethal random mutations or existing traits, some will be, on balance, beneficial. Organisms with more beneficial traits than competing organisms will tend to reproduce more than organisms that lack it.
    lol follows it up with providing his own bull answer to what "they" do not know.

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    lol "they"...I was asking you.



    lol follows it up with providing his own bull answer to what "they" do not know.
    Lazy, lazy, lazy.

    Won't take personal responsibility, and has to accept my intellectual welfare. Here is your check, some of us just have to make everybody else do the work for them. I realize that the hard work of critical thinking is not something for everybody, so here goes.

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    Scientists Catch Evolution in the Act

    COLUMN By LEE DYE

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    This new work is an intriguing window into evolution, but like all good science, it also raises a number of questions. What's the triggering mechanism? What causes a daisy to make a "decision" about how to deploy, or eliminate, a specific gene?

    "That's a great question," Soltis said. "Right now we are just beginning to understand that they do that. What are they responding to when it happens? I don't really know that we have an answer to that."
    In this piece, we have an author, Lee Dye, who has written an article. It is common for journalists to directly contact people who do the actual science and interview them.

    Stay with me Snakeboy, because this will blow your mind:

    Interviews... require someone to ask questions.

    That someone is usually.... wait for it... the journalist.

    Assumed form.
    Q: [Lee Dye]This new work is an intriguing window into evolution, but like all good science, it also raises a number of questions. What's the triggering mechanism? What causes a daisy to make a "decision" about how to deploy, or eliminate, a specific gene?

    A: [Dr. Soltis] "That's a great question," Soltis said. "Right now we are just beginning to understand that they do that. What are they responding to when it happens? I don't really know that we have an answer to that."
    Of course, in this case, we didn't even get to see the direct question. Commonly that is shown in source material as bolded text directly before a specific response. We have a paraphrase.

    The writer also decided to use quotation marks to set off the word "decide".

    Why is THAT?

    Normally this is to tell the reader that there is some other additional meaning.

    The author does not elucidate.

    I take it though, to mean that during the sexual selection process when two sex cells are forming a new zygote, there has to be some genetic process that winnows through things, or only allows one gene out of the ploidy to be expressed.

    This molecular action is likely what the scientist is alluding to, and does not require any sort of conscious decision on the part of the organism.

    "know" in this case and "decide" do not mean what you think they do.

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    "That's a great question," Soltis said. "Right now we are just beginning to understand that they do that. What are they responding to when it happens? I don't really know that we have an answer to that."

    Scientists have no problem saying it. Atheist who thinks science validates his world view goes to great lengths to avoid saying it.

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    "That's a great question," Soltis said. "Right now we are just beginning to understand that they do that. What are they responding to when it happens? I don't really know that we have an answer to that."

    Scientists have no problem saying it. Atheist who thinks science validates his world view goes to great lengths to avoid saying it.


    Man, you really, truly suck at this .

    What is your point exactly?

    This will require you to take the personal responsibility to string more than a few sentences together.

    I will say "I don't know" when I don't know the answer. It is easy. Again, really not seeing where you are going with this.

    In the meantime, I have a life outside the message board. I have a cool new roman empire game I really would like to get to.

    Hopefully when I come back tomorrow, you will have made your point a bit more clearly. I won't be holding my breath. Lazy is as lazy does.

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    I will say "I don't know" when I don't know the answer.
    You didn't. When pressed you finally said "they" (scientists) don't know. Then you made up your own answer.

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    Again, really not seeing where you are going with this.
    Only a fool knows everything.

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    Only an idiot would think this all came about by chance. The only question is who/what is responsible, that we simply don't know. Nobody does.

    BIG BANG/evolution...hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Only a fool knows everything.
    You're sure acting the fool here.

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    Only an idiot would think this all came about by chance. The only question is who/what is responsible, that we simply don't know. Nobody does.

    BIG BANG/evolution...hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    You're sure acting the fool here.
    What's the problem Blake? I just asked RG a question. I even provided him the answer from a biologist studying evolution.

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    Evolution is a fairy tale and only dummies like you don't see it.

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    Evolution is a fairy tale and only dummies like you don't see it.
    amazing that some simpleton with no education knows more about science, biology, and evolution than 99% of all scientists and evolutionary biologists

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    Evolution is a fairy tale and only dummies like you don't see it.
    You don't see any of the videos you have posted.

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    The answer is very simple, in fact it's right in front of your face in the article I posted.
    This was a horrible condescending fail, tbh.

    And i bet you still don't get how it was either. Even though RG put it right in front of your face.

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    amazing that some simpleton with no education knows more about science, biology, and evolution than 99% of all scientists and evolutionary biologists
    Like I've told you many times I can take you and all those scientists etc to school on far more topics than they can me. I've probably read my books in the last 5 years than you've read.

    Don't be an idiot guy, ok?
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    Like I've told you many times I can take you and all those scientists etc to school on far more topics than they can me.
    the topic here is evolution you stupid old .

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    not about biology, that's for certain

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    the topic here is evolution you stupid old .
    As if you ever enter a thread respecting the topic, right?

    This out of a thread about Bruce Jenner, where's the talk about the topic asshole?


    Yeah, seriously man, you're not getting any unbiased bystanders to laugh any more. I guarantee they're thinking the same thing i am which is holy lol wtf smh all this cuck erotica he comes up with.

    But at least you still get some lols from ms, rob and now the fat ol so there's that.
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    not about biology, that's for certain
    When was the last time you actually checked in what the scientific world thought about the theory of evolution?

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