Evolution...?

[Brazil]

you all still on dat ?

[Avante]

evolution

There was nothing then for some unknown reason there was life, it lived on ocean bottoms for millions of years. Then it started to evolved in a whole slew of fish. Big ones, little ones, whales, sharks, squids, swordfish etc etc. Then after million of years some of the smaller fish either let to ocean which makes no sense or slithered out of pools,ponds. So here they are looking for food. Lo and beyond they find it. So after millions of more ............

How could anyone not in a rubber room buy that bull ?

[RandomGuy]

No you haven't, nobody can. There is no proof this didn't all come about by some master design, so why lie?

Asking me to prove a negative. OK, that *is* new.

Here is a whole list of other things I can't prove wrong:

Flying monkeys in caves on Venus.
Bigfoot is real.
Aliens are abducting people at random on a global scale.
There is a space walrus juggling skulls of Inego plenth on the far side of Anteres.



Your main problem, in all due seriousness, is that you can't tell who really has the burden of proof. I am not claiming there is no designer, merely that there is no proof for the claim "a designer exists". Subtle difference, but important. One has the burden of proof, one doesn't.

[RD2191]

There was nothing then for some unknown reason there was life, it lived on ocean bottoms for millions of years. Then it started to evolved in a whole slew of fish. Big ones, little ones, whales, sharks, squids, swordfish etc etc. Then after million of years some of the smaller fish either let to ocean which makes no sense or slithered out of pools,ponds. So here they are looking for food. Lo and beyond they find it. So after millions of more ............

How could anyone not in a rubber room buy that bull ?

It's amazing how everything was there on land to thrive, it's almost if they were set up to survive by a creator.

[Avante]

lol meltdown

Lets do this...

ChumpDumper I;m melting totally down, you've ruined me I can barely walk or talk you have totally completely 100%%%%%%%% destroyed me. I ruined, demolished, ran totally over, you are number one, DA MAN. NUMERO UNO, a stud, the king, a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how about going away. pretty please.

[RandomGuy]

Science (all the scientists) have been wrong as a group many many times. There are actual sites about just how wrong they have been. So anyone trying to peddle..."scientists agree that.."....so what, they have..all..been wrong many times.

So what's left, biology class? How does the biology class of 1715 compare to the one in 2015? How will 2015 compare to 2115?

The bottom line is nobody knows anything for sure, it's just a bunch of..."could have been"..."might have happened"..."led to believe"....and we all know this. Anyone trying to ignore that is trying to bull .

I don't have to know the exact amount of change in a jar to be able to dismiss things like "there are a billion dollars in it".



I can dismiss your "there is a designer" claim along similar lines. "because life/DNA is impossible" is a logically flawed argument.

Logically flawed arguments cannot support a claim. Unless, of course, you don't care what is true.

[Avante]

Asking me to prove a negative. OK, that *is* new.

Here is a whole list of other things I can't prove wrong:

Flying monkeys in caves on Venus.
Bigfoot is real.
Aliens are abducting people at random on a global scale.
There is a space walrus juggling skulls of Inego plenth on the far side of Anteres.



Your main problem, in all due seriousness, is that you can't tell who really has the burden of proof. I am not claiming there is no designer, merely that there is no proof for the claim "a designer exists". Subtle difference, but important. One has the burden of proof, one doesn't.

Does my wife Judy really love me? While it sure does appear that she does can I prove it? Nope! So all I can go with is her actions. This is no different, all we can go with is how things appear. And it sure does appear we needed a Designer to give us the world we live on.

[RandomGuy]

Lets do this...

ChumpDumper I;m melting totally down, you've ruined me I can barely walk or talk you have totally completely 100%%%%%%%% destroyed me. I ruined, demolished, ran totally over, you are number one, DA MAN. NUMERO UNO, a stud, the king, a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how about going away. pretty please.

I see a lot of caps and exclamation points.

But unsurprisingly, no new arguments.

Why is that?

[Avante]

I don't have to know the exact amount of change in a jar to be able to dismiss things like "there are a billion dollars in it".



I can dismiss your "there is a designer" claim along similar lines. "because life/DNA is impossible" is a logically flawed argument.

Logically flawed arguments cannot support a claim. Unless, of course, you don't care what is true.

So what is the truth and prove it.

[Blake]

ing stupid thinks science gives a damn about religion, so totally wrong there as usual. And, do you have any idea at all how important religious beliefs were to the slaves living as they did? Are you as dumb as you act? No clue at all about how many down and out people have beeen saved once they found religion? Just how damn dumb are you Blake?

Religion sure gives a damn about science. Religion feels threatened when new discoveries are made.

[ChumpDumper]

Lets do this...

ChumpDumper I;m melting totally down, you've ruined me I can barely walk or talk you have totally completely 100%%%%%%%% destroyed me. I ruined, demolished, ran totally over, you are number one, DA MAN. NUMERO UNO, a stud, the king, a GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now how about going away. pretty please.

lol prolonged meltdown

[RandomGuy]

Does my wife Judy really love me? While it sure does appear that she does can I prove it? Nope! So all I can go with is her actions. This is no different, all we can go with is how things appear. And it sure does appear we needed a Designer to give us the world we live on.

Your wife Judy, however, can be proven to exist.

Unlike the "Designer".

The analogy fails on that basis. Whether Judy loves you or not, first depends on her existence.

The existence of a wife named Judy is far more mundane, and would generally require less proof than a universe/life creating designer.

I might not *know* how the food at my table got there, but I can make reasonable assumptions that about a waiter, since I have seen waiters deliver food before, rather than making up something like a magic man speaking my lunch into existence.

[Avante]

Religion sure gives a damn about science. Religion feels threatened when new discoveries are made.

How does what religion do/think slow science down, go ahead elaborate. When does science ask religion anything?

[Avante]

Your wife Judy, however, can be proven to exist.

Unlike the "Designer".

The analogy fails on that basis. Whether Judy loves you or not, first depends on her existence.

The existence of a wife named Judy is far more mundane, and would generally require less proof than a universe/life creating designer.

I might not *know* how the food at my table got there, but I can make reasonable assumptions that about a waiter, since I have seen waiters deliver food before, rather than making up something like a magic man speaking my lunch into existence.

Totally missed the point, not surprised. I was talking about the existence of emotions. Something we can't see.

So where is your proof that there is no Designer?

[RandomGuy]

So what is the truth and prove it.

The truth is, we don't know how the universe came into being, and may never know.

I'm cool with that.

What more do I need to prove?

What I can do though, is eliminate the "pink unicorns that poop ice cream" claims. Bigger claim, more proof required to believe it is true.

If it is false... I just don't want to believe in it, because false ideas have bad consequences, like the idiots who think that prayer will cure diseases, and end up denying medicine to their children.

[Avante]

lol prolonged meltdown

Dude, pretty pretty pretty pretty please go away, I.;m begging ya man begging ok? You just get in everyones way, so please go bother others, please.

Chump, I;m never ever going to actually converse with you about anything ok? You'll see nothing but translations and please go away or nothing at all. So by knowing that why continue to stalk me? Please go bug others, ok?

[RandomGuy]

Totally missed the point, not surprised. I was talking about the existence of emotions. Something we can't see.

So where is your proof that there is no Designer?

Asking me to prove a negative. OK, that *is* new.

Here is a whole list of other things I can't prove wrong:

Flying monkeys in caves on Venus.
Bigfoot is real.
Aliens are abducting people at random on a global scale.
There is a space walrus juggling skulls of Inego plenth on the far side of Anteres.



Your main problem, in all due seriousness, is that you can't tell who really has the burden of proof. I am not claiming there is no designer, merely that you have not provided sufficient proof for the claim "a designer exists". Subtle difference, but important. One has the burden of proof, one doesn't.

[Avante]

The truth is, we don't know how the universe came into being, and may never know.

I'm cool with that.

What more do I need to prove?

What I can do though, is eliminate the "pink unicorns that poop ice cream" claims. Bigger claim, more proof required to believe it is true.

If it is false... I just don't want to believe in it, because false ideas have bad consequences, like the idiots who think that prayer will cure diseases, and end up denying medicine to their children.

So you really can't prove anything, nothing....right? So it's..."you need to believe what I do"...forget the fact most people don't.

Right?

How about this..."Avante is happier thinking there is something all powerful out there responsible for all this and really doesn't give a damn what some moron hiding behind a computer thinks"...ok?

[RandomGuy]

So you really can't prove anything, nothing....right? So it's..."you need to believe what I do"...forget the fact most people don't.

Right?

Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity

Also Known as: Ad Populum

Description of Appeal to Popularity

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
Therefore X is true.
The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is subs uted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

Appeal to incredulity.
Shifting the burden of proof.
Appeal to popularity.

All logically flawed arguments. Easily rejected by anyone who cares about the truth.

Do you think the truth can be determined by flawed logic? Does washing your car cause it to rain?

[RandomGuy]

Fallacy: Post Hoc

Also Known as: Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, False Cause, Questionable Cause, Confusing Coincidental Relationships With Causes

Description of Post Hoc

A Post Hoc is a fallacy with the following form:

1) A occurs before B.
2) Therefore A is the cause of B.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/post-hoc.html

I wash my car. (A)
Then it rained. (B)
Therefore, washing my car causes it to rain. (A is the cause of B)

Bad reasoning, false conclusion.

Bad reasoning is not the way to determine what is true, and what is not.

[Avante]

Appeal to incredulity.
Shifting the burden of proof.
Appeal to popularity.

All logically flawed arguments. Easily rejected by anyone who cares about the truth.

Do you think the truth can be determined by flawed logic? Does washing your car cause it to rain?

I am happier with a Designer/God/Supreme Being in my life, couldn't care less if I can prove it or not or if anyone else believes as I do.

Ok?

[RandomGuy]

I am happier with a Designer/God/Supreme Being in my life, couldn't care less if I can prove it or not or if anyone else believes as I do.

Ok?

People were happy to drink the cool-aid at Jonestown.

People were happy to drink the vodka with phenobarbitol in Rancho Santa Fe.

People were happy to fly airplanes into buildings.

False beliefs, however happy they make you, have consequences.

In your case, you will simply waste part of the only life you are given, for the most part.

The bad part is that you seem to have taken it on yourself to try and push lies here about the theory of evolution, which is true, and has evidence.

That is a consequence that anyone who does care about the truth should be worried about.

[Avante]

Let me see the hands of those who have actually read...."ya know you're right, I've changed my mind"...on the internet? It simply does not happen.

People, nobody really knows anything for sure when it comes to religion/evolution other than we don't know. Only a fool really thinks they will be changing anyones mind about anything on a messageboard. So why bother?

Here we have 140 pages (soon) and at no time have we seen..."I was wrong you'r right"...and we won't. Those of us who do believe in Something think those who believe in nothing are stupid an they think we are and so it goes and goes, while nobody can prove/disprove a damn thing.

I will never buy a fish or not think something isn't responsible for this and I don't care what some midget in hiding says or thinks about it.

[Avante]

People were happy to drink the cool-aid at Jonestown.

People were happy to drink the vodka with phenobarbitol in Rancho Santa Fe.

People were happy to fly airplanes into buildings.

False beliefs, however happy they make you, have consequences.

In your case, you will simply waste part of the only life you are given, for the most part.

The bad part is that you seem to have taken it on yourself to try and push lies here about the theory of evolution, which is true, and has evidence.

That is a consequence that anyone who does care about the truth should be worried about.

Prove all living creatures on earth evolved from a fish, go ahead PROVE it.

[Avante]

I'd love to see one of these atheists walk into any church during services and start rambling on about how they all believe in bull , hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

I do pity the little s.