Spurs: ESPN heavily underlines that Spurs FAIL every year after winning a championship

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The Spurs were just never that dominant...always good but usually "right place, right time". They had an insane amount of luck (Amare/Diaw suspension, cramp game, etc). Throw in that their 99, 03, and 07 finals opponents had no business being in the finals. Its easy to understand why that luck wouldnt ever happen two years in a row.

terrible argument.

[DMC]

No. Repeating matters. It shows a consistent level of maintained dominance. Case in point. Jordan is known for scoring, yet KAJ is the all-time leading scorer in NBA history. Both have 6 rangs. Media hate of KAJ aside, most fans outside of Laker Nation thinks he is GOAT. Why? Consistent level of dominance by 3peating twice as champion.

Now I think that flaws the GOAT argument, but I understand why the argument is being made.

Dominance matters. Repeating championships demonstrates that. Sp*rs haven't shown they are capable of such a feat.

* denotes NOT repeating as a true championship team should.

You don't know the difference between a winner and a juggernaut. The Spurs were never a juggernaut, ever. They play the right way and that allows them to be poised to strike when other teams monkey ball their way to stupidity or they injure themselves or have some other emergency.

There's no rhyme or reason behind the Spurs making 2 straight Finals appearances with an old core like that. You have to look at the rest of the league and shake your damn head because the product they are selling is pathetic. Spurs just play good basketball, and it's amazing how a good basketball set can beat a group of uber talented monkeys.

At the end of the career though, it's 5 rings. All that b2b is just a side note. 5 rings looks like 5 rings.

[DMC]

Y'all DID cheat in 2007. If Horry didn't...you know the rest son.

Your tears taste like nacho cheese

[midnightpulp]

No. Repeating matters. It shows a consistent level of maintained dominance. Case in point. Jordan is known for scoring, yet KAJ is the all-time leading scorer in NBA history. Both have 6 rangs. Media hate of KAJ aside, most fans outside of Laker Nation thinks he is GOAT. Why? Consistent level of dominance by 3peating twice as champion.

Now I think that flaws the GOAT argument, but I understand why the argument is being made.

Dominance matters. Repeating championships demonstrates that. Sp*rs haven't shown they are capable of such a feat.

* denotes NOT repeating as a true championship team should.

No, MJ's GOAT status over Kareem has nothing to do with him having 2 three peats, it has to do with him having 6 "1st option/team leader rings" whereas Kareem has 3 or 4 depending on your point-of-view of when the Lakers became "Magic's Team." Jordan also has 6 Finals MVPs to go along with that to Kareem's 2.

, even Duncan has more Finals MVPs than Kareem.

And people think that lanky should be considered "GOAT." Only reason he sits atop the all-time scoring list was because he padded during the tiest era in NBA history (the 70's)

Kareem was typically my 2nd GOAT, but after considering the specifics, I'm moving him to 4th, behind the Jordan, Magic, and Duncan.

The 7s

[The Reckoning]

The Spurs were just never that dominant...always good but usually "right place, right time". They had an insane amount of luck (Amare/Diaw suspension, cramp game, etc). Throw in that their 99, 03, and 07 finals opponents had no business being in the finals. Its easy to understand why that luck wouldnt ever happen two years in a row.

want some pepper with that salt?

[Koolaid_Man]

No, MJ's GOAT status over Kareem has nothing to do with him having 2 three peats, it has to do with him having 6 "1st option/team leader rings" whereas Kareem has 3 or 4 depending on your point-of-view of when the Lakers became "Magic's Team." Jordan also has 6 Finals MVPs to go along with that to Kareem's 2.

, even Duncan has more Finals MVPs than Kareem.

And people think that lanky should be considered "GOAT." Only reason he sits atop the all-time scoring list was because he padded during the tiest era in NBA history (the 70's)

Kareem was typically my 2nd GOAT, but after considering the specifics, I'm moving him to 4th, behind the Jordan, Magic, and Duncan.

The 7s

The Spurs loss and Floyds win has really left you battered and bruised...wish i could say I feel for you but I couldnt think of a better person than you to be wallowing in misery

[midnightpulp]

The Spurs loss and Floyds win has really left you battered and bruised...wish i could say I feel for you but I couldnt think of a better person than you to be wallowing in misert

Lottery

Good luck getting back to the playoffs. Maybe we'll see you there in about 5 years

[Koolaid_Man]

Lottery

Good luck getting back to the playoffs. Maybe we'll see you there in about 5 years

We get a top 4 pick for basically accomplishing what you accomplished this season which is nothing....welcome to Lake fresh water for some fine fishing my friend

[Strange Love]

Looks like lrkfan got run the outta this thread.

[Thebesteva]

It's a shtick and invented by Red Auerbach.

What's this "heart" bull ? You sound like a terrible ESPN forum poster in the vein of history2b or some such.

You want the uncomfortable truth here? Winning one le takes not just a little, but A LOT of luck. Yes, the best teams often have a greater earned/luck ratio, but you need a lot of breaks along the way, especially with regard to health.

The Lakers first "repeat" in '88 saw Isiah Thomas limited in game 7 by an ankle injury. And in the game before that, Bill Laimbeer was called for a bull foul on Kareem that led the Lakers to win a game they had no business winning. On the same note, good fortune struck the Pistons next season when Magic and Worthy went down for injuries.

The Lakers '00 le? They never had to play the defending champions, who swept them a year before and suffered their best player missing the playoffs. Then they needed an epic Portland chokejob to get out of the WCF. The '02 le? I won't even cite the game 6 screwjob, but Peja was injured the entire series and the normally sharp shooting Kings struggled massively at the line in game 7.

'09. Both Yao and McGrady miss the 2nd round matchup with the Lakers, and those Rockets pushed the Lakers to 7. We can't say for sure if those two players would've made a difference, but in any event, it was a huge break for the Lakers. On the Eastern Conference side of things, KG misses the playoffs with an injury, and the Cavs, who were a terrible matchup for the Lakers, get eliminated by a luckbox Magic team, who the Lakers matched up with perfectly, considering they had no wing players worth a and Jameer Nelson was at 20% (PG defense was the Lakers achilles heel in those days).

And I can pick apart the Spurs les in a similar fashion. This is why the "repeat" shtick is arbitrary bull . The stars need to align to just win one le, much less two or three-in-a-row, and it just so happens the stars never aligned in back-to-back seasons for the Spurs.

End of the day, though, rings are rings. You don't win any extra hardware for repeating.

You're melting down harder than the Duke brothers at the end of trading places.

[Strange Love]

Actually, mid is dropping some hardcore truth bombs that are pretty much irrefutable.

[midnightpulp]

We get a top 4 pick for basically accomplishing what you accomplished this season which is nothing....welcome to Lake fresh water for some fine fishing my friend

There ain't no franchise players in this draft. Enjoy the cellar next year once again.

[midnightpulp]

You're melting down harder than the Duke brothers at the end of trading places.

Sure

[LkrFan]

No, MJ's GOAT status over Kareem has nothing to do with him having 2 three peats, it has to do with him having 6 "1st option/team leader rings" whereas Kareem has 3 or 4 depending on your point-of-view of when the Lakers became "Magic's Team." Jordan also has 6 Finals MVPs to go along with that to Kareem's 2.

, even Duncan has more Finals MVPs than Kareem.

And people think that lanky should be considered "GOAT." Only reason he sits atop the all-time scoring list was because he padded during the tiest era in NBA history (the 70's)

Kareem was typically my 2nd GOAT, but after considering the specifics, I'm moving him to 4th, behind the Jordan, Magic, and Duncan.

The 7s

Now I know you trolling. Firstly, 1 of his 6 rangs happened in the 70's. Secondly, 5 of his 6 rangs occurred in the 80's. Thirdly, ignoring the 1 in the 70s, his 5 in the 80's > 6 in the watered down 90's. MJ didn't win until Bird's back went out. Fourthly, KAJ beat Bird in the Finals twice. Bird beat MJ how many times? Exactly. Fifthly, no one has Duncan > KAJ anywhere outside of a few delusional Spurs Talkers. NOBODY. Sixthly, Duncan is Brad Daughtery in the 80's. Same skillsets, different stats due to level of physicality and skill of bigs back then. That soft And-1 crap Duncan made a career of wouldn't fly back then. His ceiling is Brad I'm Bad Daughtery. A soft big who has as many LOBs as I do.

I don't blame you for lashing out. It's the end of an era for you guys. It was a nice little small market feel good type run. I feel for you bruh.

[RD2191]

Now I know you trolling. Firstly, 1 of his 6 rangs happened in the 70's. Secondly, 5 of his 6 rangs occurred in the 80's. Thirdly, ignoring the 1 in the 70s, his 5 in the 80's > 6 in the watered down 90's. MJ didn't win until Bird's back went out. Fourthly, KAJ beat Bird in the Finals twice. Bird beat MJ how many times? Exactly. Fifthly, no one has Duncan > KAJ anywhere outside of a few delusional Spurs Talkers. NOBODY. Sixthly, Duncan is Brad Daughtery in the 80's. Same skillsets, different stats due to level of physicality and skill of bigs back then. That soft And-1 crap Duncan made a career of wouldn't fly back then. His ceiling is Brad I'm Bad Daughtery. A soft big who has as many LOBs as I do.

I don't blame you for lashing out. It's the end of an era for you guys. It was a nice little small market feel good type run. I feel for you bruh.

No.

[LkrFan]

Your tears taste like nacho cheese

[midnightpulp]

Now I know you trolling. Firstly, 1 of his 6 rangs happened in the 70's. Secondly, 5 of his 6 rangs occurred in the 80's. Thirdly, ignoring the 1 in the 70s, his 5 in the 80's > 6 in the watered down 90's. MJ didn't win until Bird's back went out. Fourthly, KAJ beat Bird in the Finals twice. Bird beat MJ how many times? Exactly. Fifthly, no one has Duncan > KAJ anywhere outside of a few delusional Spurs Talkers. NOBODY. Sixthly, Duncan is Brad Daughtery in the 80's. Same skillsets, different stats due to level of physicality and skill of bigs back then. That soft And-1 crap Duncan made a career of wouldn't fly back then. His ceiling is Brad I'm Bad Daughtery. A soft big who has as many LOBs as I do.

I don't blame you for lashing out. It's the end of an era for you guys. It was a nice little small market feel good type run. I feel for you bruh.

2 Finals MVPs

A "GOAT" should have more than 2 Finals MVPS.

Duncan: 3
Kobe: 2
Kareem: 2

[midnightpulp]

And funny enough, Kareem's stats were Brad daughtery level in the mid 80's

[LkrFan]

2 Finals MVPs

A "GOAT" should have more than 2 Finals MVPS.

Duncan: 3
Kobe: 2
Kareem: 2

Jim Daughtery wouldn't make it in the '80s. He's too soft. However, KAJ in this era, would average 40+/20/6. I'm not even joking. Who would stop him - Duncan? Shaq? DeContract Jordan? Wilt couldn't even do it.

Stop comparing Duncan to KAJ. It's embarrassing son.

[LkrFan]

And funny enough, Kareem's stats were Brad daughtery level in the mid 80's

Misleading. How many rangs did Magic get WITHOUT KAJ?

[Koolaid_Man]

There ain't no franchise players in this draft. Enjoy the cellar next year once again.

Mid...I once told this girl that I wanted to eat her like Ice cream on a Sunny day before it melted all away....she laughed her ass off but she did let me hit....there's a moral in the story Mid..see if you can find it

[midnightpulp]

Jim Daughtery wouldn't make it in the '80s. He's too soft. However, KAJ in this era, would average 40+/20/6. I'm not even joking. Who would stop him - Duncan? Shaq? DeContract Jordan? Wilt couldn't even do it.

Stop comparing Duncan to KAJ. It's embarrassing son.

80's defense was atrocious. You mistake a hard foul now and then for good defense.

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80's defense was atrocious. You mistake a hard foul now and then for good defense.

You're full of , Midst.

[midnightpulp]

You're full of , Midst.

It was. 130 point games were the norm on 50% shooting.

[Koolaid_Man]

You're full of , Midst.

He's hurting and in pain....last night was too much....like a fine race horse that's at it's end...the only humane thing to do is a shot gun blast to the brain....he's asking to be put outta his misery