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    No. Because the Spurs have 10 days to work out moves. So they can agree with Tim to a new contract and have the best of both worlds. Next off-season (2016), Kawhi's max and Green's contract fully count on the books. That's why this is such a small window. The next one opens up in 2017 unless the Spurs essentially want to keep a bare cupboard next season.
    In your calculation in the Think Tank, to get to the ~14M in salary cap space, did you assume Tim was gone?

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    In your calculation in the Think Tank, to get to the ~14M in salary cap space, did you assume Tim was gone?
    Yes. I gave my explanation of who I counted in there. Obviously, changing who is here alters the amount of cap space the team will have.

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    Would you guys rather have Tim and Manu retire and get LMA or have both back for 1 more season and miss out on LMA?

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    Well, we're working with the premise that TD will likely come back and that the Spurs will pay Kawhi and Danny their money, which would mean the Spurs will have to jettison a contract to have enough to lure LA with a max-deal.

    That entire premise might turn out to be false though, but you know, we're guessing here.
    Makes sense and I concur if we need to "jettison" a deal to acquire LA then it will be a tough call. Losing Diaw doesn't sound like a call I'd be happy with.

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    Would you guys rather have Tim and Manu retire and get LMA or have both back for 1 more season and miss out on LMA?
    sign Duncan to vet min 2 percentant owner of spurs

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    I know Tim's caphold is ridiculous but maybe they will come to an agreement where they renounce him and he signs for an exception of some sort.

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    Would you guys rather have Tim and Manu retire and get LMA or have both back for 1 more season and miss out on LMA?
    Easily the 2nd option. The Spurs aren't winning a le without Duncan in uniform next season regardless if Aldridge is here tbh.

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    I really hope Tiago isn't traded. As mentioned it's not going to make a lot of sense to get Aldridge if Tiago is gone. Realistically and from what I'm hearing Aldridge is probably going to come here if Spurs have the salary cap room.

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    I just don't see any scenario where Splitter/Duncan/Aldridge are all on the team next year....

    Maybe if they lose Danny & Manu. But I'd rather keep Green in that scenario as he's younger, more durable and would fill a greater need.

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    Aldridge may be a dangerous player to build the Spurs around going forward.

    A 6'11" jump-shooter. He backs his defender down just the way Duncan does, but unlike Duncan doesn't have a reliable move to get that consistent lean-in protected-with-the-body bank shot or quick jumper in the face of his defender.

    Instead, LA tends to lumber slowly into a fade-away and/or corkscrew jumper when he shoots. It's tough to hit a high percentage that way and he doesn't. So his FG % is low -- especially for a guy that size.

    He can't replace Duncan (on either end) and wouldn't be intended to replace Splitter.

    He would likely be a go-to guy at the end of games, but without the consistency to inspire confidence in that situation.

    I would trust Pop if he wants Aldridge, but he's not the type of player that would appear to portend team success.

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    Diaw would be probably the odd man out if we land Aldridge.

    Think he has more trade value also on the open market, especially if we can land a first round pick for him for a team needing a stretch four.

    He does take a lot of contested back to the basket fade away jumpers, and surprisingly makes a good amount of those shots. Though I'm confident Pop will put Aldridge in better positions on the court that he will succeed more on the offensive end that he doesn't have to make those tough jumpers.

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    Diaw would be probably the odd man out if we land Aldridge.

    Think he has more trade value also on the open market, especially if we can land a first round pick for him for a team needing a stretch four.

    He does take a lot of contested back to the basket fade away jumpers, and surprisingly makes a good amount of those shots. Though I'm confident Pop will put Aldridge in better positions on the court that he will succeed more on the offensive end that he doesn't have to make those tough jumpers.
    I've been thinking this, Diaw is the odd man out if we get Aldridge and Splitter if we get Gasol. I disagree that Diaw has value on the open market though, he will be cancerous if he's in the wrong situation, I think a lot of GMs will be wary.

    If Aldridge or Gasol were willing to take around $1m under the max and Duncan take the Room exception, we could get away with just trading Mills who I suspect has the most value out of anyone we might consider getting rid of.

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    I know Tim's caphold is ridiculous but maybe they will come to an agreement where they renounce him and he signs for an exception of some sort.
    They could renounce him and resign him later using cap space unless the Spurs get L.A or Gasol, then it would either have to be the room exception or a vet. min deal

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    I've been thinking this, Diaw is the odd man out if we get Aldridge and Splitter if we get Gasol. I disagree that Diaw has value on the open market though, he will be cancerous if he's in the wrong situation, I think a lot of GMs will be wary.

    If Aldridge or Gasol were willing to take around $1m under the max and Duncan take the Room exception, we could get away with just trading Mills who I suspect has the most value out of anyone we might consider getting rid of.
    I don't think Diaw would be the odd man out in either situation. Splitter probably would be considering he'd be a luxury as a backup big man. If the Spurs were somehow willing to get Duncan to take the room exception or a vet min deal (and we move Mills for a pick) I would think the Spurs keep both Splitter and Diaw. That big man core would be the best in the league, though if Manu doesn't come back on the cheap we really wouldn't have any guard depth.

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    I suspect that none of the Name FA's want to sign here (Love, Monroe, Aldridge/Gasol- in order of personal preference).
    Therefore, Where I would like to end up
    Scenario A)
    Bigs - Duncan, Splitter, Diaw, Amir Johnson, Alexis Ajinca, Jonas Jerebko
    Wings - Kawhi, Green, Manu, Anderson, Dangubic/Landy Fields
    PG - Parker, Mills, Wright, Joseph
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    Scenario B)
    Bigs - Duncan, Splitter, Diaw, Amir Johnson, Alexis Ajinca, Jonas Jerebko
    Wings - Kawhi, Green, Manu, Anderson, Calathes, Dangubic/Landry Fields
    PG - Parker, Mills, Wright

    Cap Situation
    Guaranteed Salaries:
    Tony Parker: $13,437,500
    Tiago Splitter: $8,500,000
    Boris Diaw: $7,000,000
    Patty Mills: $3,578,947
    Kyle Anderson: $1,142,879
    Relevant cap holds:
    Danny Green: $7,647,500
    Kawhi Leonard: $7,235,148
    Cory Joseph: $5,058,153
    2015 First Round Pick (Delon Wright): $990,000
    Roster hold: $525,093
    (Livio Jean-Charles: $957,200/$0 write the letter saying the Spurs will not bring LJC over this summer "An unsigned first round pick is removed from team salary if the team and player both agree in writing not to sign any contract through the following June 30." Larry Coon Salary Cap FAQ)
    Resign
    Tim Duncan: $5,000,000 (this is a placeholder. The more he takes, the less we can offer Amir Johnson/Jonas Jerebko)
    Manu Ginobili: $1499187 (vet min)
    Release
    Marco Belinelli, Jeff Ayres, Matt Bonner, Aaron Baynes

    Projected 2015-2016 salary cap: $66.5 Million
    Cap Space: $4360500.00

    For scenario A:
    Sign Amir Johnson, 4 yr deal starting at ~$5410686.00 (Cap Space + 1 Roster Hold). No more cap Space.
    Sign Jonas Jerebko, 4 Yr deal, Tax Payer MLE - ($33760000)
    Sign Alexis Ajinca, Minimum Player exception (vet Min, 2 yrs guaranteed) (get Tony and Boris to help talk him into it)
    Sign Nemanja Dangubic/Landry Fields, Minimum Player exception (vet Min, 2nd yr unguaranteed)
    Then resign, Danny, Kawhi, Cojo using bird rights.

    For scenario B:
    Release Cojo, expanding Capspace to : $9418653.00
    Give Tim an extra $1,000,000 per year in salary (Available Cap space 8418653.00)
    Sign Amir Johnson, 4 yr deal starting at ~$5,000,000 (Available Cap space 3943746.00 after accounting for roster holds)
    Sign Jonas Jerebko, 4 Yr deal, starting at ~ 3943746.00 (remaining cap space)
    Sign Alexis Ajinca, Minimum Player exception (vet Min, 2 yrs guaranteed) (get Tony and Boris to help talk him into it)
    Sign Nemanja Dangubic/Landry Fields, Minimum Player exception (vet Min, 2nd yr unguaranteed)
    S&T Calathes for 4 Yr deal into Tax Payer MLE - ($33760000), in exchange give Griz rights to Livio Jean Charles...

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    Baynes? You keep Diaw strictly due to salary this season. Especially if Duncan and Manu come back....I get me a starting center the year Duncan retires.
    Baynes as a starting center? As if a player (in this case, Diaw) can't be traded just because he's under contract and it's just that easy to find a starting center in free agency, particularly when you're capped out . . . all this from a guy calling someone else out.

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    Anyone think it's worth it to make a run at Tobias Harris? He's restricted, but I like him better than O'Quinn.

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    Anyone think it's worth it to make a run at Tobias Harris? He's restricted, but I like him better than O'Quinn.
    Probably what we will be reduced to once our white whales sign with other teams or stay put. He could be a nice piece off the bench

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    If we pull off a sign and trade with Portland for Aldridge, and Green ends up leaving in free agency which I hope he doesn't. One player I would be interested is Allen Crabbe. I know some guys liked him to be the next Danny Green back in the 2013 draft. Hasn't really got much of a chance in Portland, would like to see if the Spurs could make something out of him.

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    Man, even Inside the NBA talking about the Spurs going after LMA. Could this really happen"
    I heard ESPN radio talking about it for a few minutes. The way they talk about other teams getting free agents.
    Not just in passing, but real talk.

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    Is it time for next season yet?

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    Anyone think it's worth it to make a run at Tobias Harris? He's restricted, but I like him better than O'Quinn.
    He'll prolly demand/get a lot of huge offers. And I don't want to sacrifice anyone of our players for him. Too small for pf and too slow for sf i think

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    Anyone think it's worth it to make a run at Tobias Harris? He's restricted, but I like him better than O'Quinn.
    O'Quinn is attractive because I think there's a decent chance that Orlando doesn't match a full MLE offer for him. They have a lot of money invested in their rotation already, and they could end up taking another big at the top of the draft at it is. Harris is a SF, so they're probably inclined to keep him. Also, Harris will likely get offers much bigger than the MLE.

    Plus, O'Quinn is a stretch-five. Very rare skill set that would be welcomed in the Spurs' big-man rotation.

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    I like a sign-and-trade of Splitter for Aldridge, re-signing Green and Baynes. Hurts our defense to lose Tiago, but he's hurt frequently enough that I don't trust him to be there when we need him. Plus, even with Kawhi's improvement, Tony and Manu's reduced offensive production means we need another scorer (despite "the system"). Aldridge, if he would actually come, could be that. Bring back a team where the only real differences are Manu retiring and Aldridge replacing Splitter, and I really like our chances.

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