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    I keep hearing this yet my eyes just see some sloppy scrub in the post missing open guys in the corners, when he's in trouble down there, he doesn't even try to look for anyone else... He just puts up some disgusting ass "fadeaway floater?" that either air balls or gets stuffed. Horrible court vision
    Ive seen him make passes guards can't make. His passing is a big part of our second unit's three point shooting. And but for a calf injury, he would have been huge against the Clippers.

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    Monta is the only one I can think of, and tbh, I'm kinda torn if he would be a net positive. As Malik said, the defensive concerns are real, plus if you already have Tony taking shots away from Kawhi, having another chucker doesn't help, tbh...
    A negative. Parker and Ellis isn't a good paring. Ellis is also an extremely moody player on and off the court. It got overshadowed by Rondo and Carlie feuding.

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    He cannot defend Blake Griffin. He did a ty job passing this post season. He has no post scoring. Im not sure why you need that
    No one can guard Blake one on one. Splitter would've done better on offense and defense but for a calf issue. Spurs played best this season when he was healthy. But I'm not saying he's a great man to man defender, though he's had great success in the past. I'm saying he knows team defense, which often means knowing were to be on the court and getting to those spots to disrupt an offense. He does that well on PNR and on rotations.

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    Ive seen him make passes guards can't make. His passing is a big part of our second unit's three point shooting. And but for a calf injury, he would have been huge against the Clippers.
    I agree that some of his playmaking is elite, for example the bounce passes to cutting guards. Problem is, ever since he had that good streak of games he thinks he's some go to post guy and it ends up being a dead possession IMO

    Healthy Splitter is worth the money, but we just never see that version when it matters most.

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    No way Pop wants anything to do with Monta Ellis and vice versa.

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    No way Pop wants anything to do with Monta Ellis and vice versa.
    Weren't the Spurs rumored to have really wanted JR Smith a few seasons back?

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    No way Pop wants anything to do with Monta Ellis and vice versa.
    The reason Danny Green stuck around was because Ellis was killing us in his GS days, and Pop was looking for someone to stop him. I'm sure they'll have a call when free agency starts. I mean they had one with Tyreke Evans lol

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    I mentioned this before, but a Splitter to Atlanta for the 15th pick makes sense for both teams. Not just because Splitter played for Bud. He would be the 3rd big man and can play with either Milsap and Horford for around 20 mpg. His best season came when he started the season off the bench.

    Spurs would shed about $7 million heading into the off season (including the cost of the 15th pick). Potentially having two 1st rounders [assuming they'd be able to keep the 26th pick] in never a bad thing for the Spurs (last time we got Kawhi and Cojo).

    Atanta would still have around $17.5 million to resign Milsap and Carrol (they could move Scott to clear out around $21 million) They'd upgrade their front court with Splitter.
    Who you like at 15?

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    NBA salary cap projection for 2015-16: 66.5 million

    Spurs committed with RFA cap holds: 33.8 million

    Committed with Green at 190% of current salary: 41.8 million

    Committed after renouncing Ginobili: 34.8 million

    Committed after renouncing Baynes and CoJo: 29 million

    Resign Duncan at $10 million: 39 million

    That leaves 27.5 million in cap space

    Sign LMA to max of 22 million: 61 million

    Sign Kawhi to max of 16 million: 77 million

    Sign LDN to 10 million: 87 million

    Over the cap, under the apron.

    Salary cap rises to over 100 million in 2016-17, Spurs are under the cap

    Why can this series of events not occur?
    This is off. If you are counting Green/Kawhi's current cap hold + other necessary roster charges in your scenario with Duncan at 10M a year, Spurs would be at about 62M in salary with a salary cap of 66M~.

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    If Splitter wasn't so fragile this would be a harder decision. I fully expect them to shop both he and Parker, although Parker might not get any interest whatsoever at his price.

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    NBA salary cap projection for 2015-16: 66.5 million

    Spurs committed with RFA cap holds: 33.8 million

    Committed with Green at 190% of current salary: 41.8 million

    Committed after renouncing Ginobili: 34.8 million

    Committed after renouncing Baynes and CoJo: 29 million

    Resign Duncan at $10 million: 39 million

    That leaves 27.5 million in cap space

    Sign LMA to max of 22 million: 61 million

    Sign Kawhi to max of 16 million: 77 million

    Sign LDN to 10 million: 87 million

    Over the cap, under the apron.

    Salary cap rises to over 100 million in 2016-17, Spurs are under the cap

    Why can this series of events not occur?
    Your numbers are way off. If we renounce everyone except Green and Kawhi we have $51m committed, giving us $15m.

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    Weren't the Spurs rumored to have really wanted JR Smith a few seasons back?
    I know they tried to trade Barry for him back in the day but now? Not sure Pop thinks he has the time to deal with knuckleheads any more, life's too short. See Jackson for example, who he adored and fired when he got too big for his britches.

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    I mentioned this before, but a Splitter to Atlanta for the 15th pick makes sense for both teams. Not just because Splitter played for Bud. He would be the 3rd big man and can play with either Milsap and Horford for around 20 mpg. His best season came when he started the season off the bench.

    Spurs would shed about $7 million heading into the off season (including the cost of the 15th pick). Potentially having two 1st rounders [assuming they'd be able to keep the 26th pick] in never a bad thing for the Spurs (last time we got Kawhi and Cojo).

    Atanta would still have around $17.5 million to resign Milsap and Carrol (they could move Scott to clear out around $21 million) They'd upgrade their front court with Splitter.
    I agree it's a good fit, but they couldn't absorb his salary on draft day without renouncing Millsap or Carroll which they obviously won't do. We'd need to get a 3rd team involved to absorb some salary.

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    This is off. If you are counting Green/Kawhi's current cap hold + other necessary roster charges in your scenario with Duncan at 10M a year, Spurs would be at about 62M in salary with a salary cap of 66M~.
    Your numbers are way off. If we renounce everyone except Green and Kawhi we have $51m committed, giving us $15m.
    You're both coming up with two very different numbers. I'd like to see the breakdown.

    The flaw in my post was the renouncing $7m on Gino since that wasn't part of the original $33.8 commit. So that would leave $20.5m after resigning Duncan to lure a FA. And then use RFA and Bird Rights to get Kawhi and Green on the books by going over the cap.

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    You're both coming up with two very different numbers. I'd like to see the breakdown.

    The flaw in my post was the renouncing $7m on Gino since that wasn't part of the original $33.8 commit. So that would leave $20.5m after resigning Duncan to lure a FA. And then use RFA and Bird Rights to get Kawhi and Green on the books by going over the cap.
    The difference in our numbers is that I added back in Tim at 10M per your post.

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    Your numbers are way off. If we renounce everyone except Green and Kawhi we have $51m committed, giving us $15m.
    How?



    33.8 committed minus 5.8 renouncing CoJo and Baynes is 28m. Add in 190% of Green's 4m and we're at 36m. Where's the other 15m come from?

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    You are making it too complicated IMO. Spurs have 33.8 committed at this point barring a trade of one of Parker, Tiago, Mills, Anderson, or Boris. Kawhi and Danny's current cap hold is combined to about 15M. That alone is 48.8M. When you add in your 10M for Duncan, that is 58.8M. Then when you add in the roster charges because TP, Tim, Tiago, Mills, Anderson, Boris, Kawhi & Danny only equals 8 players (need 12 spots charged) you get to the 60+M I was referring too.

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    $33.8 plus $7.8m for Green and $7.5m for Kawhi cap holds. Then I include $1m for our 1st rounder and $2.2m in roster holds comes to around $51.6m

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    33.8 committed minus 5.8 renouncing CoJo and Baynes is 28m. Add in 190% of Green's 4m and we're at 36m. Where's the other 15m come from?
    That 33.8 doesn't include CoJo or Baynes cap hold, it's just the 5 guaranteed players (Parker, Diaw, Splitter, Mills and Anderson)

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    33.8 committed minus 5.8 renouncing CoJo and Baynes is 28m. Add in 190% of Green's 4m and we're at 36m. Where's the other 15m come from?
    Leonard and Greens cap holds aren't included

    KL-$7,200,000
    DG-$7,600,00


    thats about $49 million for 7 players. Add in roster charges (500,000 for each roster spot unfilled up to 13) thats $3,000,000. The Spurs should have around $15 million in cap space. Richie is correct.

    BTW basketball insiders salary page is way better than hoophype or basketball reference.

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    $33.8 plus $7.8m for Green and $7.5m for Kawhi cap holds. Then I include $1m for our 1st rounder and $2.2m in roster holds comes to around $51.6m
    Thanks. But why is Kawhi 7.5 instead of the QO?

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    Who you like at 15?
    not a college fan but Sam Decker seems like a good one.

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    Thanks. But why is Kawhi 7.5 instead of the QO?
    It's because he's a bird free agent coming off a rookie deal where his last salary is below the league average. That means his cap hold is 250% of his previous salary

    Read more here: www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38
    Last edited by Richie; 05-05-2015 at 11:26 PM.

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    Sign and trade with the Heat for Dragic. The Dragon does it to play for the Spurs, the Heat do it to get something for nothing. Is this even possible, tbh?

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    Agree.

    The only way we dump Splitter is if we land Gasol.

    Gasol/Duncan/Diaw would be ideal, but Gasol isn't leaving Memphis. If we are getting Aldridge Duncan/Aldridge/Splitter would be the way to go.
    Aldridge / Diaw / Duncan is not as bad as well. Since Duncan can easily do the Center position. Might make us even quicker.

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