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    Tbh, the second Red starts making his shots its all over...thats what happened game 1. I said he was the X factor and will stick by it.
    Red looked like as well. Dude was handing the ball to the other team, blowing fast breaks, ing up in just about any way imaginable.

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    He was horrific last night, terribad. Dude was chucking up that had almost zero chance of going in. Blake seems to be physically done by the middle of the 3rd quarter in these games. That makes me wonder about his conditioning. Sure he's a beast when he's on but he runs out of gas pretty quickly. The entire team does that though, and if they'd quell that screaming, chest thumping they do any time they score, maybe some of that energy would be reserved for the 4th.
    He won't have pop to bail him out with in game rest this series.

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    Funny thing about these disparities and absurd FT numbers; any time you see them you also see the caveat "but the (fill in name here) team had a chance late to tie or win the game, so it's not really about that". It's true that the Clippers played ball in the 2nd half, and Doc bringing in his re ed son to play big minutes was part of the problem (the 3rd string guy was worse tbh), but mostly it was Crawford and how the rest of the team treats him like he's a sure thing any time he touches the ball.

    Doc is a horrible late game coach, he starts watching the game instead of coaching it.

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    He was horrific last night, terribad. Dude was chucking up that had almost zero chance of going in. Blake seems to be physically done by the middle of the 3rd quarter in these games. That makes me wonder about his conditioning. Sure he's a beast when he's on but he runs out of gas pretty quickly. The entire team does that though, and if they'd quell that screaming, chest thumping they do any time they score, maybe some of that energy would be reserved for the 4th.
    We don't have a bench, and any time either of our starting bigs came out, it was a disaster because Doc refused to put in length. Big Baby being asked to guard Dwight Howard need I say more. Also, unlike the league golden boys in the Bay Area, we don't get a rigged schedule with practically a week off between games. The last time this team got more than a day of rest was between Games 1 and 2 of the Spurs series. So it's no surprise that Blake's gassed half the time.

    Crawful doesn't belong anywhere near a playoff team, as he's repeatedly proven in Atlanta and LA. Dude is tailor-made for a tanking team.

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    Prime Manu was an Oscar worthy flopper. It's hypocritical.
    You're right, Harden is like Manu.... Manu in 6, that is

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    From a viewing perspective, it's horrible . From a basketball perspective, it's tainted the game to the point of being a gimmick. If exaggerating contact is required to get a foul call, that's fine. Using that exaggeration to do nothing to get to the line is a gimmick. It's not against the rules obviously, but it puts Harden's game into perspective. If you assess Shaq's game with a hand wave dismissal his his horrible FT shooting (which most do), you're saying FTs aren't a true indicator of a player's basketball a en. After all, even end of the bench guys can shoot FTs. So then the same applies to Harden's game. If you dismiss his FT shooting, what you have left is a guy who occasionally hits a 3 or gets into the paint for a score. He's got good to great handles, a crazy eurostep cross over and his understanding of where his defender is at all times is off the charts. Dismiss his FT shooting though and he's a middle of the pack player.

    If Shaq/Jordan became 70% or better FT shooters, the league would be a much different place today. You'd probably not be able to stop Jordan if he could shoot from outside and hit the FT as well. Imagine Dirk with Jordan's athleticism and tenacity. Game over. It don't happen though, not yet, but it will some day. Imagine if Blake Griffin had some arc on his shot instead of that line drive to the front of the rim. The same applies to Tim Duncan.

    These guys have such great talents but there's a fundamental issue with all of them that limits their games. CP3's shot with Duncan's size and fundamentals would be terrifying to an opponent. Imagine Steph Curry is 6'11" and can still shoot from outside like that.

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    Prime Manu was an Oscar worthy flopper. It's hypocritical.
    Anecdotal, and not backed up by data.

    Sorry brah, but posting FTAs does not prove your point. What about the amount of and1s between the two players? How how many points in the paint did each average? Go look that up.
    Not sure how the number of and1s would prove a point.

    If you want to talk about attempts, Harden attempts 30.4% of his shots from 0-3 feet, Manu sits at 29.6%, which I would say the two are fairly similar. That said, Harden averaged slightly more FGA from 3s, which is the type of shots that gets the least amounts of FTs, and I am just talking about over the course of their careers. Manu has been taking way more 3 pters as he grew older because he can't just charge into the lane as he used to. During his prime, he would have 33 to 35% of his shots coming from 0-3 feet. Harden's career high is 33% and that is during his OKC days when he was averaging less FTs than he does now.

    Manu only averaged 30 or more minutes per game twice. Harden has been at 38, 38, and 36 the last three seasons. So don't act like minutes were the same. Still, if you condone flopping for your own players, don't condemn others for it.
    Per 100 possessions:
    Manu career - 8.5FTA, 20.4FGA, or 1 FTA for every 2.4 FGA
    Harden career - 11.2 FTA, 20..4FGA, or 1 FTA for every 1.8 FGA

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    From a viewing perspective, it's horrible . From a basketball perspective, it's tainted the game to the point of being a gimmick. If exaggerating contact is required to get a foul call, that's fine. Using that exaggeration to do nothing to get to the line is a gimmick. It's not against the rules obviously, but it puts Harden's game into perspective. If you assess Shaq's game with a hand wave dismissal his his horrible FT shooting (which most do), you're saying FTs aren't a true indicator of a player's basketball a en. After all, even end of the bench guys can shoot FTs. So then the same applies to Harden's game. If you dismiss his FT shooting, what you have left is a guy who occasionally hits a 3 or gets into the paint for a score. He's got good to great handles, a crazy eurostep cross over and his understanding of where his defender is at all times is off the charts. Dismiss his FT shooting though and he's a middle of the pack player.

    If Shaq/Jordan became 70% or better FT shooters, the league would be a much different place today. You'd probably not be able to stop Jordan if he could shoot from outside and hit the FT as well. Imagine Dirk with Jordan's athleticism and tenacity. Game over. It don't happen though, not yet, but it will some day. Imagine if Blake Griffin had some arc on his shot instead of that line drive to the front of the rim. The same applies to Tim Duncan.

    These guys have such great talents but there's a fundamental issue with all of them that limits their games. CP3's shot with Duncan's size and fundamentals would be terrifying to an opponent. Imagine Steph Curry is 6'11" and can still shoot from outside like that.
    Watch the fouls on Harden last game...they were hard and legit fouls except for 1 where I thought it should have been an offensive on Harden. Dude took a beating...Barnes is dirty and made sure it was known.

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    It's unwatchable sure, but on the replays the foul is almost always there. It's almost always there on everyone though, they just don't call it. Wild hair and the beard are tools to get ref attention.
    Watch the fouls on Harden last game...they were hard and legit fouls except for 1 where I thought it should have been an offensive on Harden. Dude took a beating...Barnes is dirty and made sure it was known.
    You can see I covered that already. My beef is with the game itself. The league always looks for ways to shorten the games, saying they go too long, but then you have almost 100 FTA.. that's not even something you want to watch. It's worse than watching the dunk contest for 3 hours. Imagine watching the same 4 guys try to complete the same 3 dunks for 3 hours straight. That's last night's game.

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    You can see I covered that already. My beef is with the game itself. The league always looks for ways to shorten the games, saying they go too long, but then you have almost 100 FTA.. that's not even something you want to watch. It's worse than watching the dunk contest for 3 hours. Imagine watching the same 4 guys try to complete the same 3 dunks for 3 hours straight. That's last night's game.
    Yea, but I mean what can they really do when a person is driving in and they get a bear hug or have their arm grabbed before they can even go up? Thats clearly on the defense being inept or incapable of stopping the offensive player. And Dirk et al were embelishing contact way before Harden. Harden is just an easy target.

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    Yea, but I mean what can they really do when a person is driving in and they get a bear hug or have their arm grabbed before they can even go up? Thats clearly on the defense being inept or incapable of stopping the offensive player. And Dirk et al were embelishing contact way before Harden. Harden is just an easy target.
    Do you enjoy watching harden shoot freethrows?

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    Yea, but I mean what can they really do when a person is driving in and they get a bear hug or have their arm grabbed before they can even go up? Thats clearly on the defense being inept or incapable of stopping the offensive player. And Dirk et al were embelishing contact way before Harden. Harden is just an easy target.
    Basically the NBA is turning to pure . Until someone puts a hard foul on him, he'll keep coming into the paint. Sure he gets wrapped some sometimes, that's fine, but it's not like others aren't attacking at the other end. It's not like Blake didn't get slapped across the face by Howard with no whistle. Harden gets touch fouls, over and over, and he initiates contact and still uses that up and under move that the refs were supposed to ignore. All the Thunder players do that .

    But it's not about Harden. It's about almost 100 FTA in a playoff game. If the future of the game is shooting FTs, why worry about intentional fouls? So it's ok as long as the guy can hit, but it's needlessly stopping the game and using a loophole if you send a guy who cannot hit a FT?

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    Yea, but I mean what can they really do when a person is driving in and they get a bear hug or have their arm grabbed before they can even go up? Thats clearly on the defense being inept or incapable of stopping the offensive player. And Dirk et al were embelishing contact way before Harden. Harden is just an easy target.
    I have no problem with Harden getting free throws when guys stupidly reach on his drives. That's contact and it should be called, even if he baits them into doing it. My main issue with Harden is his top of the key iso that usually devolves into him barreling into guys, leaning his torso in, and throwing his head back like he's been punched. That's not basketball, and most of the time he gets rewarded for it with 2 FTs. What's worse is that guys then get so afraid to D him up tightly that they almost concede his drives. I've seen it all season. It's honestly a shame that such a talented player chooses to draw cheap fouls instead of scoring in a legit manner.

    Again, this isn't about FTAs, it's about a principle. Westbrook averages a ton of free throws, but nobody who knows about basketball will whine about them, because that guy furiously attacks the rim with the INTENT of scoring, not drawing cheap fouls.

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    Basically the NBA is turning to pure . Until someone puts a hard foul on him, he'll keep coming into the paint. Sure he gets wrapped some sometimes, that's fine, but it's not like others aren't attacking at the other end. It's not like Blake didn't get slapped across the face by Howard with no whistle. Harden gets touch fouls, over and over, and he initiates contact and still uses that up and under move that the refs were supposed to ignore. All the Thunder players do that .

    But it's not about Harden. It's about almost 100 FTA in a playoff game. If the future of the game is shooting FTs, why worry about intentional fouls? So it's ok as long as the guy can hit, but it's needlessly stopping the game and using a loophole if you send a guy who cannot hit a FT?
    Boom.

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    Exactly. Blake gets tons of legitimate contact and the refs usually swallow their whistles because he's a big man, so they assume he can play through it. (In fairness, Dwight gets the same treatment for the same reason.) Somehow when he got fed up with this during his first couple seasons and started exaggerating a bit (though he's toned it down in recent years), he got branded as a "flopper," but when Harden yanks his head back, flails around, or jumps into players and gets phantom calls, it's "craftiness" and people say "drawing fouls is a skill."

    This Harden is eventually going to phase big men out of the game entirely if the league doesn't put a stop to it. It's getting harder to build around a PF or C when they can get brutalized out there while the Hardens and Durants of the league get rewarded with free throws for being breathed on or looked at funny.

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    Rockets fans are going to defend it obviously for altruistic reasons. They certainly have nothing to gain by doing so.

    You could never put the Jordan Rules on Harden, you'd foul out in the 1st quarter. the entire team damn near fouled out. I would like to see the intentional fouling go away completely, but this other needs to be toned down as well.

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    He was horrific last night, terribad. Dude was chucking up that had almost zero chance of going in. Blake seems to be physically done by the middle of the 3rd quarter in these games. That makes me wonder about his conditioning. Sure he's a beast when he's on but he runs out of gas pretty quickly. The entire team does that though, and if they'd quell that screaming, chest thumping they do any time they score, maybe some of that energy would be reserved for the 4th.
    Crawford takes the worst shots in basketball. Its like he's taking half-court style jumpers leaning forward and kicking his legs out while he is floating to the basket.

    Hard to blame Blake the only other viable PF on the team is big baby Davis who is probably the biggest NBA player (weight to height 6'8 290lbs) Hawes has been a train wreck this season so they really have to split 96 minutes between 3 players after a while the heavy minutes is going to make players tired quicker.

    The Clippers better make the finals this season. There team isn't going to be better next season. Two of their top 6 players are going to be 36 (Barnes and Crawford) and Jordan could leave. Even if he does they still won't have cap space and they won't have a draft pick.

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    48 hours after I enter the RR you pussies start in with the officiating.

    Mother ers.

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    The Clippers better make the finals this season. There team isn't going to be better next season. Two of their top 6 players are going to be 36 (Barnes and Crawford) and Jordan could leave. Even if he does they still won't have cap space and they won't have a draft pick.
    Even if he's replaced by an empty roster spot, getting rid of Crawful would be addition by subtraction. And though I have misgivings about whether he's truly earned it, there's zero chance of our front office not giving DJ the max.

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    48 hours after I enter the RR you pussies start in with the officiating.

    Mother ers.
    Did you even watch last game Cubs? Silver didn't want his darling to go down 0-2.

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    i always thought manu was a much bigger flopper on defense

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    48 hours after I enter the RR you pussies start in with the officiating.

    Mother ers.
    Not about the officiating. I made that much clear. It's about the contradiction between "stop hack-a-nig" and "96 FTA is ok though". You said intentional fouling is chicken , now you're saying intentionally drawing the call is ok. You're an idiot. Just face it.

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    Make free throws and this won't happen. ty free throw shooters shouldn't be rewarded for sucking ass at the FT line. If you don't want people to foul you on purpose then become a better free throw shooter.

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    Not about the officiating. I made that much clear. It's about the contradiction between "stop hack-a-nig" and "96 FTA is ok though". You said intentional fouling is chicken , now you're saying intentionally drawing the call is ok. You're an idiot. Just face it.
    Only pussies & assholes play the officiating card.

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    Did you even watch last game Cubs? Silver didn't want his darling to go down 0-2.
    The Clippers were just as complicit.

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