Just checked his stats on Basketball Reference because of your arguement and found I was right. His shooting percentage has been up and down, not a consistent improvement. If you go to this past year he was down for the year-- and in the playoffs, compared to 13 or 14, he was way down, shooting .344 instead of over .40% overall.
Maybe he started reading his news clips and partying too much as though he was above all the other shooting guards in the league. Happens to a lot of guys when they start having some success. The two gym rats on the Spurs are TD and Kwahi. Hard to believe that TD still puts in so much time in practice after all these years, but Kwahi seems to be made of the same stuff.
Elite at 3&D implies he's consistently elite at hitting 3s and playing D. I just disagree he's consistent in either case. Most of the time I don't notice his D, which would imply it's not as impactful or elite as you suggest. Unlike Kawhi who routinely makes positive plays on defense that make you notice. As for his 3s, the streaks are well do ented.
You and I just have a difference of opinion on what elite means and just how consistently good Danny is. I think we'll have to leave it at that.
Are Spurs fans really stupid enough to think that a 38-year old Tim Duncan that can't defend the pick&roll or defend switches or defend the perimeter is the reason the Spurs were an elite defense the past 3 years?
It's also strange that these idiots are also questioning the playoff success of a guy with a career 3-point percentage of 42-43% on 4.5 attempts per game..
I hate old basketballs fans, still stuck in the antiquated days of basketball
There's only so much you can improve with 3 PT percentages. Once you're above 40% you're doing something right. His 3PTers made continued to go up and we started seeing more and more plays run for him to get him open looks. I'd call that improvement.
Kawhi was the DPOY this year, yet his defense looked horrendous in the Clippers series..did he forget how to play defense? No
the same personnel without the enforcer and the same "intensity guys" won a championship 9 months prior to the Clippers series..smh..
Which 3&D guy in the league fits your idea of elite? At the end of the day they're still role players so I don't think any of them will be consistent day in and day out. I think Green is as good as it gets tbh.
then they aren't elite by your own definition.
smh - the whole team brought intensity to each series at some point during the run. Danny made layups, enough said
Elite relative to other 3&D guys, dumb dumb.
Why do you think they decided to stop trying hard?
so you want to find an inconsistent role-player?
I think only the mentally weak guys didnt play hard; Danny, Leonard, Tony, Tiago, Boris. I think Tim, Patty, and Marco always play hard. I think Manu couldnt find a rhythm and was pissed that the 5 no shows weren't playing with urgency.
From my perspective it's part character, part generational. Never in a 100 years would I have ever gone out and partied it up with opponents, whether I won or lost. I hate to see that hugging, friendly, lovey-dovey. I want the 80's-90's fight on the court, break it up, then get back to the game. I wont watch this garbage once Tim and Manu are gone. Too much stupid, ghetto, trash. And this is why I could care less if Tiago/Danny are gone.
Bruce Bowen tbqh.
1. Bowen wasn't the shooter Danny is.
2. Bowen is retired.
Bowen was a 45% 3pt shooter in the playoffs with the spurs. Danny is a 43% shooter.
Bowen was a TERRIBLE FT shooter though.
Tell me who in God's name defends the rim and rebounds could get close to matching Tim on OUR team?Are Spurs fans really stupid enough to think that a 38-year old Tim Duncan that can't defend the pick&roll or defend switches or defend the perimeter is the reason the Spurs were an elite defense the past 3 years?
It's also strange that these idiots are also questioning the playoff success of a guy with a career 3-point percentage of 42-43% on 4.5 attempts per game
I hate old basketballs fans, still stuck in the antiquated days of basketball
Dont be stupid.
We don't sniff going 7 games with the Clips without Tim.
We don't come close to winning a championship last year without Tim.
Just to be different please refrain from making perfectly silly statements. His timing and length on D and rebounding are absolutely essential to our overall defense. Especially if Tiago can actually move freely without "calving" up. D is also a team game. The wings can take more risks with Tim laying back.
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Danny is a very hard decision for me. For around 8 million, I don't think there is anyone else I'd rather have, but for 10 million or more, I'd probably let him go. I don't think we can afford to pay anyone 10 million plus that can't create their own shot. We are really starting to become starved for players that can create their own shot, and if Manu leaves, then we really need to add another creator or two. Defense alone isn't worth 9-10 million. His three point shooting is also too streaky. He's amazing when he's on, but he's not on consistently like a Steve Kerr or a Kyle Korver.
I don't want to let Boris go either. He can create and distribute. All I want from him is to come into camp in better shape. If he comes into camp overweight again, I'd be willing to let him go too. Splitter, I just don't trust anymore. I love his defense when he's healthy, but that doesn't seem to be too often, plus on top of that, his offense is putrid. If we had to trade someone, Splitter would be my first choice. Actually, Parker would be my first choice to trade by far, but I don't think that is going to happen.
Still stuck on what the guy did in the past. You can't have it that way AND talk about a guy who was a finals MVP.
That's my point..I wasn't knocking Duncan, I'm saying it's silly to think he's the only reason the Spurs have ranked in the top 3 in defense the past 3 years, considering he's 38 and has trouble moving on D..
That was 8 years ago
There isn't one in today's game. Bowen and Artest were the last elite guys at 3&D. Would say Ariza approached it some years, but he didn't keep the shooting up. Beverley and Bradly have a shot, but obviously they are not wings. Either way, I would sacrifice them to add a second go-to player.
Who are you referring to? If it's Parker, then I'm going to say - You guys need to get it through your skulls that Tim Duncan was by far the Spurs best player in those playoffs. WAKE THE UP AND GO BACK AND WATCH THOSE PLAYOFF GAMES. Watch the games against the toughest opponents in the West. Not the finals, the games against the tougher teams in the West. Tim was by far the playoff MVP. The only reason Parker has that finals MVP is because he took advantage of a PG match up that was heavily in his favour. Spurs don't get anywhere near the finals if it wasn't for TD. Tony was very good in those playoffs, but he was nowhere near the team MVP. Tim Duncan was easily the Spurs MVP.
WAKE THE UP. I really don't want to hear anyone else mention Parker's finals MVP like he was the Spurs' best player. It almost makes me think that Tim should have been more selfish in the finals so we don't constantly get these idiots that bring up that finals MVP.
Last edited by Ice009; 05-10-2015 at 10:30 PM.
Love Green. Hate Green. I love what he brings to the team defensively. I love that he is a true 3 pt threat. I hate that if you take away his 3, he is practically useless out there. It is almost like playing offense 4 on 5.
Dude is an elite defender you ing idiots. Well worth the money.
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