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Someone gets it. You can't have that come playoff time. You lose a starter that you've counted on all season and he's gone just like that. He seemed disinterested and his D wasn't all that great.
I really think that people in this thread discussing what Danny's worth for a contract need to start thinking in terms of the future salary cap. The TV deal will multiply the current cap by at least 1.5 times, and maybe up to 2 times, http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...eeps-going-up/ . Given the number of players on the roster won't change (max 15), and there is still a max salary (which I expect the owners to try and hold the line on, next contract), there is going to be a lot more money out there for the NBA middle class. That $10 million per year people are talking about, will effectively be the MLE by 2017... At that point, yes, we should re-sign him for that much. A Danny Green for the MLE is a pretty good deal. You will still need stars, and Danny isn't one of them, but he's still worth that $10 Million/year in terms of the future salary cap.
Someone gets it. You can't have that come playoff time. You lose a starter that you've counted on all season and he's gone just like that. He seemed disinterested and his D wasn't all that great.
I don't care how long ago it was. You're giving DG a pass because of what he did in the first 3 games of the finals 3 years ago. A finals that we would have won if he had kept it up. He choked big time the rest of the way and played like he did against the clippers. But yeah it's totally ok because well, he DID have those good 3 games.That was 8 years ago..
Oh I know Timmy was better but Tony had a good enough series to be considered. That means he played very well. So if DG gets a pass because of what he has done in the past, then Tony does too. Simple. I personally think they BOTH played like this last playoffs, Tony seemed hurt and out of shape, DG has no excuse. His problem is mental and he's done this before. Keep him for about the same as he makes now, MAYBE a tiny bit more, 5mil maybe. Anything else, and he's replaceable. Easily.
PROBABLY. What this means, they will gauge to see what the FA market values Green. I told you guys, Green is worth no more than 8 mil a year, period. If some teams pays 10 or more mil a year, the Spurs will let him walk or S&T him.
Green is a very very good defender. But I would rather the Spurs make a run at Afflalo, who is a better offensive player than Green not much of a drop on the defensive end.
Maybe the Spurs can work out something with Portland where they get Green and Splitter for LA and Afflalo. I love Green as well as Splitter, but if Green doesn't hit his 3's like the Clips series or Splitter keeps on getting injured, the run at a championship is over anyways.
A lineup of LA, Duncan, Kawhi, Afflalo and Parker would rival any starting lineup in the league. Add a bench of Mills, Manu, Diaw, possibly Baynes and Beli and the Spurs would still be championship contenders.
Last edited by Cowboys_Wear_Spurs; 05-11-2015 at 07:26 AM.
Wow, the Midlevel is 5mil a year. The current cap is going to be 67 mil a year.
The projected Salary cap is going to be around 90. which is a 34% increase of the current cap. So if you take into account that increase into the MLE, the MLE should go up to 6.7 mil, not 10mil.
At 10 mil, you would be overpaying for Green. When look at defensive 3 point specialist around the league, they at most make 7mil a year. Allen, who is probably the best of these, only makes the MLE. Considering Green's age, he will get more, but at 10mil a year, which a desperate team might do, you would be overpaying.
Best if Green doesn't tweet about things before they transpire. Silence is the best response.
Without Tim and Manu, Danny is pointless. He'll be great on another team, but he cannot dribble the ball and is relegated to being a good defender who can shoot the 3. That's valuable, but not for a rebuilding team at the price he's going to command.
Spurs are going to blow it up.
I realize that sounds like a knee jerk response, because almost any other team in the league that even made the playoffs wouldn't consider blowing it up, but the Spurs are an anomaly in that they are not going to get better with the current roster. They can only get worse. They can do better than they did last year if luck is on their side, but Manu is due a season ender as are Tim and Tony. We know KL uses his hands relentlessly (like Lefty) and that makes him susceptible to injury. So their ceiling, imo, is 2nd round next year. Do you want to pay guys that much to get where you've been over and over? If it's the ring, sure, but not just to make the playoffs and just delay the obvious.
Then again, it's going to hinge on whether or not Manu and Tim want to return. Both have small kids, both are retirement age for NBA players and both have enough success under their belts to never need another dribble to feel they've accomplished what they want to accomplish. I think it has to do with being able to let go of the routine and not feeling like they're abandoning the team. Regardless, they'll still be involved somehow, if they can find any room in the hangers on club next to George, Sean and David.
Last edited by DMC; 05-11-2015 at 09:06 AM.
So Kawhi struggles in D is due to Tim Duncan... I've heard it all
Tim's coming back and Manu will follow if that happens. Both IMO will retire after next season. It's best to make changes now so that the Spurs can still be compe ive for another year. Get LA, bring in Afflalo. Trade Splitter and Green to Portland to team up with Lillard.
Portland already said they wanted to build around Lillard and both Green and Splitter would be great playing next to him as neither one require to have to ball in their hands on the offensive end.
Spurs have one more run in them IMO w/ Duncan and Manu. Bring in Afflalo and resign Beli. They can play the majority of the minutes while Manu stays fresh and healthy. Duncan can rest more as LA would carry the majority of the Offensive load in the post. You can resign Bonner just for the regular season play to keep the Spurs bigs fresh during the year.
Like Pop said, they will be changes. If there are, I would love to see the Spurs get LA and Afflalo. These two would really lessen the scoring Burden on both Parker and Duncan for the regular season and would keep everyone fresh for the playoffs.
Afflalo said he is done in Portland and LA tweet basically was a goodbye and thank you to the Portland organization, which makes me think he is done with Portland as well.
Even after Duncan -- Parker, Afflalo, LA, Kawhi (pending C FA or Draft), the Spurs could still contend.
Maybe it was good the Spurs got dropped early so everyone can comeback healthy for next season. Pop said the Spurs may look considerably different. If these are the changes, that would be great IMO.
The Danny Green era should be over, he is not 10 mil good for a 67 mil salary cap, maybe for 200 mil.
He was bad. He just didn't fit the Portland System. I think in the Spurs system he would thrive. Just my opinion. I remember when a lot of posters wanted him a few years back. Spurs would be buying low selling high as Afflalo would be cheaper than Green at this point and not much of a drop off.
Afflalo was really successful in Karl's system which is similar to the Spurs offensive system in utilizing the fast pace PnR style that has been run lately. Afflalo was successful in Vaughn's Spurs system as well. This makes me think he would be successful in Pop's system as well.
Green as a deadbeat player when the Spurs first got him. Got cut by the Cavs and this is the Cavs after Lebron left, that is what NBA GMs though about him. Its amazing how a coach and a system can really benefit a player.
Lol at thinking Green was a bad player with the Cavs because he didn't pass Byron Scott's eye test. It's pretty clear now that Danny is a better player than Afflalo, whose style of offense doesn't fit the Spurs at all. Yeah, let's have four post players and Tony Parker as the SL. No spacing issues there.
I'm not totally against the idea of trading away Green for the right offer. But the team will be down to NO SGs in such a scenario. They better have a plan to bring in multiple guards, and hopefully someone better than Affalo as the lead.
So what's the huge update?
Spurs cut him twice as well. He had an at ude problem and didn't do what his coaches told him to do from what was rumored. What's funny is, when everyone on this site first hated Green because he wasn't athletic enough and struggled early on, I advocated that he would be a very good player in this system because he had a High BB IQ and played good defense. He eventually showed what I had initially saw in him.
As for Afflalo, he has shot close to .400 from 3's for his career and was over .400 when he played in the fast pace keep on passing until you find the open guy Karl offense w/ the Nuggets, a role he would resume in the Spurs system.
So what if he can work the high post, doesn't means he has to every play. That's a huge benefit over Green as the Spurs will have another player that can create his own shot. Go watch Afflalo highlights back in the day with the Nuggets where he wasn't the primary scorer and was more of spot up shooter. He can easily resume that role with the Spurs and get a ton of open looks.
And no, Green is not clearly the better player. Green can't create for himself to save his life, something Afflalo has proven he can do time and again. Green is better defensively but its not by a huge margin by any means.
That moment where he cant pass or shoot is really frustrating, his ball handling skills are frustrating, and his drives to the lane are just depressing.
Um, people loved Green from jump street. I've gone back and looked at the archives. They didn't think he was special, but they saw he was solid. That was critical given the players who manned the wing before him. He came out like Gangbusters the next year, but that wasn't because he started playing differently.
The Nuggets were faced paced, but they weren't nearly as unselfish as the Spurs. They were more of a "run until you drop" team that got threes in transition. That happens from time to time in the Spurs' system, but Danny gets most of his from making himself open for passes (not just parking in a corner). Two different styles.As for Afflalo, he has shot close to .400 from 3's for his career and was over .400 when he played in the fast pace keep on passing until you find the open guy Karl offense w/ the Nuggets, a role he would resume in the Spurs system.
He actually is. He's a better shooter and defender and a rebounder. For all of Afflalo's play-making, he and Green average almost the same number of assists, while Aaron averages more turnovers. That he can drive is a terrible reason to say he's better. Al Jefferson can create his own shot, but he's not a better player than Serge Ibaka.And no, Green is not clearly the better player. Green can't create for himself to save his life, something Afflalo has proven he can do time and again. Green is better defensively but its not by a huge margin by any means.
Afflalo hasn't been a good defensive player since his first year in Denver, actually..he has been a below average to poor defender according to any metric you choose..
I'd probably rather have Beli over Afflalo, tbh
That was 9 months ago, not 8 years ago
I never said Afflalo was better, just offensively. There is a reason I think Green is worth more if you read my previous post and why I feel a team is going to over pay him.
I just said that I believe Afflalo would be cheaper and would be an adequate replacement as well as bring another dynamic offensively for the Spurs. Afflalo shot just was good as Green from 3pt land under Karl.
And that fast pace push it up the floor 3 pt style of play is what cause the Spurs to Blow out the Blazers in 4 games, Blowout OKC in 3 and Blowout the Heat in the 3 games as well in last year's playoff. That style works the best for the Spurs. So yes, Afflalo has shown he can hit the transition and the corner 3. Just watch his highlights with Orlando.
I would rather keep Green, if you want to know. But it looks like the Spurs won't retain him at this point. If they do, I would be happy. I would like to see him stay. But if they don't, Afflalo, imo, is a perfect player to replace Green with.
If you have another player in mind, please discuss it.
Simply put, if they can't afford Green...then they're looking at Gasol/LMA or other HUGE salary players. Status quo doesn't work even if Kiwi gets a huge deal.
Affllalo sucks on defense compared to Green.
First off, the only way the Spurs save functional cap space is if they pay an SG less than $7.6475 Million in 2015. If Green gets $12 Million a year and Afflalo gets $8 Million, it still doesn't save the Spurs any flexibility to sign Afflalo and let Danny walk. And before people start talking about future years, the difference in salary will look even less important in 2017 than it would next year. Add that to the fact that no one's given Danny that much money, and it's easy to see why arguing that he'll price himself out of the Spurs' range is incorrect.
I feel like you didn't even read what I wrote in response to your "Karl ran a similar system as Pop" argument. They're not eh same at all, and Green and Afflalo didn't have the same roles within the offense. Danny moves a ton along the perimeter to get his looks. He's not Korver, but he's also not Bowen or Afflalo. He's very dynamic for a spot-up shooter. It's not just about percentages -- he takes harder shots and has a much larger gravity.I just said that I believe Afflalo would be cheaper and would be an adequate replacement as well as bring another dynamic offensively for the Spurs. Afflalo shot just was good as Green from 3pt land under Karl.
And that fast pace push it up the floor 3 pt style of play is what cause the Spurs to Blow out the Blazers in 4 games, Blowout OKC in 3 and Blowout the Heat in the 3 games as well in last year's playoff. That style works the best for the Spurs. So yes, Afflalo has shown he can hit the transition and the corner 3. Just watch his highlights with Orlando.
Why? Because of that Facebook post?I would rather keep Green, if you want to know. But it looks like the Spurs won't retain him at this point. If they do, I would be happy. I would like to see him stay. But if they don't, Afflalo, imo, is a perfect player to replace Green with.
If they trade Splitter AND Green for Aldridge, they may as well give up on being an elite defense. Maybe they could sign Franklin and hope LJC or a draft pick (Justin Anderson) can play some D off the bench. But you don't replace Green, the same way you don't replace Splitter. Spurs took a long time to find someone to replace Bowen and an even longer time to find a legit defensive big to put next to Tim. You think they'll be able to fill those holes again in the same summer?If you have another player in mind, please discuss it.
Tim is by far the best Spur ever and it's not even close IMO, he was the reason they were winning all those les as the leader and anyone who denies that is crazy. Even against Detroit in that horrible game 5 he put in 26 and 19 I think? I also remember game 7 when the run started in the 3rd he had a huge and one to spark it, pumped his fist and screamed and them from there on out it was on.
Don't let the re ed Parker fans get to you, bro. These guys are driven by an agenda and will distort facts and reality in order to get their ty points across. Players fans like them are absolute s - no different from the gots at Lakersground. Every sensible Spurs fan knows TP's a choke artist. Always has been. Always will be. Facts don't lie. Duncan and Manu were the big two that carried our team in the playoffs.
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