When looking at accomplishments and records, there was no other PG outside of Magic Johnson that was a lock for the HOF at age 32 like Parker. Now there is no doubt the media will have him as a top ten PG of all time when it's all set and done for his accomplishments, I thought to myself, could he potentially be top five? Think about it, who out there could be greater? Sure you have Magic, Nash and Oscar Robertson. But after that? It's a crap shoot. Unless CPIII wins, he will forever be known as the equivalent of John Stockton. Jason Kidd and Gary Payton? Sure they had more talent, but will always be remembered as coat-tailing to their first ring on stacked teams. Bob Cousey will not be known in twenty years by virtually everyone. Parker's accomplishments, although may be over-blown by casual fans and the media, will be what most remember, whether you like it or not.
So when it's all set and done, I could easily see the top five PG's of all time looking like:
Magic, Big O, Isiah Thomas, Nash, TP... and no one would have a problem with that... except cry baby Spurfans... but who cares?
Lets face it.. Manu was the Alpha over Parker for a long time... sadly... he didn't get the recognition for it and nobody will ever remember that outside of Spursfans...
So.. TP top five PG of all time... nice ring to it. As long as you're not a player-fan and a Spurs fan.. you should be able to celebrate the greatness of the Big 3.
On top of that, it doesn't look like there's any PG's in the near future that will be able to challenge him. Steph Curry has the potential without a doubt... but Westbrook will flame himself out by the media/unwillingness to adapt to team play. Derrick Rose has been injured far too much to be a dominant force (but if they win he could probably get FMVP) and Rondo's best days are far behind him. Maybe when John Wall retires after 12 more years he could potentially challenge the spot.
No, he isn't. Not even hating.
Top 15
He's one of the 5 best French PGs who ever played in the NBA
Will drop if he has more playoff stats like this season
I mean he's definitely top 5 in Barrys smashed
Bob Cousy was the greatest PG ever, besides Magic. Cousy won NBA championships ans was named 1st-team all-NBA ten times.
He is probably not a top 20 point guard, but he certainly has had top 10 years. I can't say he's top 20 overall. That said, he still HOF because (1) its easy to get in; (2) he's won 4 les; (3) he's been a finals MVP; (4) he is the only Euro point guard to have that kind of success; and (5) he has the requisite stats, i.e., all star appearances and all NBA selections and good scoring averages. He could move in the top 5 in specific areas, for example, he may be the best finisher in the paint all time for a point guard, but he's at least top 5 in that regard.
I don't think Cousy is better than Big O
I hate John Stockton, but say what you want, no way he's not the 2nd best point guard of all time with his assist and steal records. Those are unbreakable. Sure, he never won a le, but so much can go into whether you win a le or not. KG would never have won one had he not been traded to Boston. If you want to say all-time great, then maybe Stockton is way down the list, but if you are talking about best point guard, he and Magic are at the top of the list. I do value les in saying that MJ was better than JS, but he was also a unique player at 6'9 and his ability to post up guards. But Tony's 4 les do not make him a better point guard than John Stockton.
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Better than Oscar:
Career highlights and awards
6× NBA champion (1957, 1959-1963)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1957)
13× NBA All-Star (1951–1963)
2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1954, 1957)
10× All-NBA First Team (1952–1961)
2× All-NBA Second Team (1962, 1963)
8× NBA assists leader (1953-1960)
NBA 25th Anniversary Team
NBA 35th Anniversary Team
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
No. 14 retired by Boston Celtics
NCAA champion (1947)
Consensus first-team All-American (1950)
No. 17 retired by Holy Cross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Cousy
pretty sure there's 1 guy in every pickup game I'm at who would just crossover and steal every "legendary" 1950s NBA players to death.
This has already been debated, and you are wrong.
SCIENCE!
No, but prime TP was pretty darn good and when compared to his active counterparts one of the best and at times, the best.
I once played against a former ABA player who was 70 years old. Sure, he was too old to play defense, but he could still shoot lights out. At 70. Don't be so sure that today's athlete. They may be faster and taller, but they can't match fundamentals of people that actually practiced fundamentals like shooting. Now days, the athlete makes a spectacular cross over and then bricks the mid range jumper. In fact, the mid range jumper is a lost art in the NBA, and per Pop, is almost indefensible.
TP's game was more dangerous once he did develop the MRJ, just as it has made BG a better player. Trouble is....he developed his MRJ. KWIM ? Next thing you know, he's shooting 3's and he's no longer what made him. So it goes.... there's a window.
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Porker is definitely one of the top 5 Pound Gainers of all time.
Top 5 in 60 something years of NBA history?
It's threads like this that remind you how great Duncan actually is. Top 5, GTFO
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