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One can be rightly called a back to back champion and the other is Tim Duncan
As we all know, les are team accomplishments, as are the invented accomplishment of a back-to-back. That said, I was wondering who plays better during the playoffs between the the two players with the most rings of their generation when going for a repeat. Not trolling. Nor am I attempting to on Kobe. I think their raw stats are very to close to a wash, but Duncan simply has more floor impact defensively with his rebounding, shotblocking, interior presence and much superior +/- stats, not to mention is more clutch. In any event, both players raise their games during a repeat year, which should be commended (Kobe does see a slight drop in RAPM from his playoff average, however).
Tim Duncan
22ppg, 12.4rpg, 3.4apg, 2.0bpg, .518 FG%. +6.4 RAPM, 25.1PER
Clutch stats. (I think these are important to include because they illustrate how a player performs under pressure in the defense of his le). I'm using the accepted, mainstream definition of "clutch" here: Last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter or OT, no team ahead by more than 5 points.
35 made shots on .514% shooting.
Kobe Bryant
28.0ppg, 5.5rpg, 4.9apg, 1.36spg .447 FG%. +3.98 RAPM, 22.6 PER.
Clutch stats.
39 made shots on on .367 shooting. I find Kobe's relatively poor clutch time performance interesting. As if the pressure got to him in these situations, the pressure of defending your team's le. Basketball is indeed a team game, so Kobe's shaky late game play wasn't enough to doom the Lakers.
One can be rightly called a back to back champion and the other is Tim Duncan
Since when is basketball an individual sport?
if OP could prove that Shaq and Gasol defended thier le rip Kobe stans.
"Tim Duncan defends HIS le better than Kobe Bryant"
Thanks for setting the precedent.
Lost me with ... as we all know and the accepted mainstream ...but nice try.
A lot of work to say Duncan has better metrics KOBE some better raw numbers but they still both have 5 rings.
We know Kobe's impact can't compare with Shaq's, during any le run. As for Gasol, even though he didn't have the sexy PPG, he was more impactful than Kobe during the repeat runs:
Pau's RAPM: 6.3 (2010), 2.8 (2011).
Kobe's RAPM: 5.9 (2010), 1.1 (2011).
Well, it's his along with the other players on his team.
Every mainstream stats site, from 82games to NBA.com uses the last 5 minutes, no team ahead by more than 5 definition of clutch time. Is it arbitrary? Of course. But I think it's a better representation of player "clutch" (itself, a nonsensical concept, but I'll entertain it) performance than game-winning shots.
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 2nd 5th
He hit it first
bigs usually have better metrics than guards tbh... which is quite normal once you understand how the so called metrics like PER works, rebounds are for instance heavily represented in there. This is also why comparing guards and bigs is rather dumb
OP is high again, defending means winning again..
He thought he was gonna repeat. When the roof caved in he went into a state of denial and hasn't emerged yet. He's hurtin', he's wounded. I understand that hurt, that wound, but, not to share it in honest discourse is wrong.
He'll heal...to a point and he'll come around. I know this cat, and he has a good heart. It's just shattered.
Midst
Brazil with the subtle Enrique semenshielding
duh ? on what ?
"Guards' metrics always look worse!"
le defenses
O'Neal: 2-1 as a Laker
Gasol: 1-1
Tim Duncan: 0-5
And Duncan really porked the pooch on this last defense. Unceremoniously dumped out by the Clippers. I was flabbergasted, pleasantly so, yes, but, absolutely stunned.
That poor SOB.
Boil it down for me cuddy. Don't feel like it? Fine.
Duncan: 5
O'Neal: 4
Gasol: 2
than bigs it's mainly true, you have obviously exceptions... how this is related to Parker tho ?
I think you made your intentions very clear with that sig
Meh, you can't say "his le" then use the "team sport" card.
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