When looking at accomplishments and records, there was no other PG outside of Magic Johnson that was a lock for the HOF at age 32 like Parker. Now there is no doubt the media will have him as a top ten PG of all time when it's all set and done for his accomplishments, I thought to myself, could he potentially be top five? Think about it, who out there could be greater? Sure you have Magic, Nash and Oscar Robertson. But after that? It's a crap shoot. Unless CPIII wins, he will forever be known as the equivalent of John Stockton. Jason Kidd and Gary Payton? Sure they had more talent, but will always be remembered as coat-tailing to their first ring on stacked teams. Bob Cousey will not be known in twenty years by virtually everyone. Parker's accomplishments, although may be over-blown by casual fans and the media, will be what most remember, whether you like it or not.
So when it's all set and done, I could easily see the top five PG's of all time looking like:
Magic, Big O, Isiah Thomas, Nash, TP... and no one would have a problem with that... except cry baby Spurfans... but who cares?
Lets face it.. Manu was the Alpha over Parker for a long time... sadly... he didn't get the recognition for it and nobody will ever remember that outside of Spursfans...
So.. TP top five PG of all time... nice ring to it. As long as you're not a player-fan and a Spurs fan.. you should be able to celebrate the greatness of the Big 3.
Accomplishments sure, but then his game has not evolved to compensate for the deterioration of his skillset. Instead he's made that deterioration painfully obvious. I've seen a two legged dog adapt to it's handicap just fine. Tony cannot even adapt to 10lb weight gain.
Maybe Top 20. Not Top 15. Definitely not Top 5.
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Maybe Top 20. Not Top 15. Definitely not Top 5.
This dude has like 30 accounts.
Haven't you heard? This website is 3-4 people with 1000 accounts between them talking to eachother.
def not top 5?? in terms of accomplishments. I think personal stats value more than just accomplishments. I mean Stockton never won anything but hes def top 5
1. Magic Johnson
2. Oscar Robertson
3. Isiah Thomas
4. John Stockton
5. Bob Cousy
honarbles before Parker... , Kevin Johnson, Gary Payton, Walt Frazier. etc... Parker may be 10 or 11
Last edited by Lakers999; 05-13-2015 at 03:15 PM.
Parker vs Billups
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post8007529
What I posted upstairs:
PGs I will take over Parker (in no particular order)
Magic
Oscar
Isiah Thomas
Stockton
Kidd
Nash
Payton
Iverson (I still count him as a point)
Derek Harper
Walt Frazier
Mark Price
Jerry West
Chris Paul
Dennis Johnson
Maurice Cheeks
Kevin Johnson
Maybes:
Billups
Terry Porter
Lenny Wilkens
Sidney Moncrief
Tim Hardaway
Too old to judge:
Cousy
Sam Jones
Too early to tell:
Steph Curry
Mike Conley (a seriously underrated player)
Westbrook
Probably not:
Cassell
Tiny Archibald
Doc Rivers
Anfernee Hardaway (too injured, but definitely if he had a longer prime)
Terrell Brandon (Huge fan of his, but his game would translate horribly in today's game).
although he played both positions Jerry was More of a shooting guard than a point.
All that and a 2.00 will get you a grande Pike's at SB. We have Tony, we have 5 rings and 4 with Tony. That's all that matters. The future doesn't look that great but it didn't look that great in 2010 either.
Like I said in the duplicate thread upstairs. It's threads like this that make you realize how great Duncan is.
Dwayne Harper? Aware me
I'd move Tim Hardaway up a Tier.
Rod Strickland belongs somewhere in there
Billups bullied him in the '05 Finals despite being guarded by Bowen for long stretches.
parker at his absolute peak was the top PG in the game. the problem is, prime Tony aka MVParker only lasted for around 1.5 seasons
there have been many other PG's who have held the "top pg in the game" le for much longer stints than that, including stockton and cp3. if you're starting a team from scratch, and you can choose between Chris Paul and TP, its an easy pick. as much as we rag on Paul for his playoffs, you can build a team around him, and he's been elite for nearly a decade now. parker can be a very good 2-3 option for the duration of his career, with about a 2 year window of being a guy who can be built around
no. one of the top coattail riding PGs though.
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30 accounts but this account was validated the last day ever accounts were validated. I'm in your boys heads
Keep debating
Get a tattoo "most famous poster of all time on ST" across your back.
As long as you don't do it and it up with your sausage fingers.
If ST was a bathroom, you'd be the toilet water. You get shat on daily, but you keep coming back.
You mean Derek Harper? I think he's the best non all-star of all time. Things didn't break his way, and he just so happens to play in the same era as Magic and Stockton.
As for Hardaway, I am split on him. He was great with Run TMC, but that was part of the system. His time with the Heat brought the franchise success, but he was ultimately a shameless chucker.
As for Stickland, talented but wild. Spurs fans know all about it. He's sort of the PG version of JR Smith (not that bad), very talented, but makes the dumbest mistakes.
I wouldn't throw an interception on the 1, though..
12-13 Parker was awesome but I don't think its unanimous that he was the best PG in the game. The compe ion was pretty watered down...Rose injured, DWill got fat, guys like Curry/Chimpbrook/Conley were barely on the rise. CP3 was really his only legit compe ion and he finished higher in MVP voting and he's just a better player as you said.
To be fair, I think Tony has been underrated most of his career, tbh... that said, not top 5...
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