Prime vs Prime Parker is not Stockton. Stockton was the ultimate floor general. Picture the Kidd that was in the finals 2 years in a row. Was Parker ever as good as him? Tony is/was an all star level PG that played on great Spurs teams, he is not an all time great PG. I don't give him the a lot of people around here do for his flaws, but he obviously has them..
I never said that FkLA...I never said that Porky boy was the best player on that team.
Timmy was the man in 07....EVERYBODY knows that. I just said that for Parker to be automatically disqualified because of an opponent is re ed. And IMO Parker was the 2nd best player on the team that year.
When was Tony ever the best player on a le team? 2007 finals MVP in an easy sweep against the Cavs. Duncan was far and away the best player all year long and the playoffs..
2014.
Led Spurs in scoring throughout the regular season.
Led Spurs in assists throughout the regular season.
Led Spurs in scoring throughout the playoffs.
Led Spurs in assists throughout the playoffs.
Was the ONLY All-Star (league coaches vote) on the Spurs.
Was the ONLY All-NBA player on the Spurs.
Give me examples of other players who accomplished all of the above in a season and weren't the best player on their championship team.
Comparing players to guys from the pre-merger NBA is pretty stupid. The game was completely different (no three point shot, talent was spread across two leagues etc).
A better question would be is Tony Parker top five in the modern era (since merger). The answer is obviously no.
Kevin Johnson average 28 points and 9 assists on 57% shooting in seven games against the champion Houston Rockets in 1995 and I wouldnt say he was top five.
Tony Parker? Please.
And Im sure if the Heat could have picked a player to take off the 2014 Spurs their choices would have been:
1) Duncan
2) Leonard
3) Ginobili
You can have Parker.
1) Magic
2) Stockton
3) Everyone else
But you would be hard pressed to explain how Tony Parker was "better" than Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Isiah Thomas, Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Kevin Johnson etc.
You could probably assume that both Derrick Rose and Steph Curry's careers have already surpassed Tony Parker's (Parker never sniffed an MVP).
So what?
Parker averaged 25 points on 57% shooting in the NBA Finals in 2007 against Cleveland.
Then he averaged 30 points and 7 assists on 52% shooting in 2008 against Phoenix.
Then he averaged 29 points and 7 assists on 55% shooting in 2009 against Dallas.
Then he averaged 25 points and 10 assists on 53% shooting in 2013 against Memphis.
Wow, but Kevin Johnson averaged 28 points in one series....ooooohhhh woooooooww! He's so amazing! But he came up big in the Finals with a whopping 17 PPG on 42% shooting. KJ clutch! Almost scored more than Dan Majerle in that series!
Good argument...I'm sure that's why they used their best defensive player to guard him in big moments like they did the year before. Lol, Ginobili.
And he was so valuable we beat OKC with his behind firmly glued to the bench..
And the Clippers destroyed Houston on the road with no CP3. He must not be important to that team. Lol, is that the only argument you guys have left? That he sat out half a game that we almost choked away at the end of regulation and won in overtime?
His comment about Ginobili is very reasonable, IMO. It's dumb for you to laugh at it. Remove Manu from the team and the bench falls to pieces. Now, would Parker have sit, the team had other weapons (better weapons, IMO), and it's not like he was essential playmaking wise either.
Duncan and Manu were the best players on that team. Rique was just awarded a participation ribbon for statpadding against a D-Leaguer for four games. If this were hockey, Duncan would have won the Conn Smythe while Porker would have gotten nothing other than another coattailing ring.Just because he played against Gibson in the Finals....he is automatically disqualified from being "the best player on a championship team"?
Dat logic
Duncan...for sure.
Manu...I can't go that far.
It's funny that all you Parker haters seem to forget that he was once one of the best PGs in the league. Sure, he's wet dog right now...but that doesn't diminish what he did in the past. In 07, Parker was the 2nd best player on the team. And that's no slap in the face when you've got one of the GOATs playing on your team.
And this isn't H
bah gad Dynasty, that killed them
of course not top 5
maybe top 10 tough
If you seriously think that Tony was the best player on last year's championship squad, then there's no hope for you. Tony was MAYBE the third best player.
Tony has had maybe 5 solid playoff runs in his career. 07, 08, 09 (he was amazing, but had no help outside of Timmy), 12 (although he was subpar against OKC), and 13 (his most dominant run). As a whole he's been mostly underwhelming in the playoffs, as his efficiency took a significant hit from RS to playoffs almost every year.
I get that you're biased against TP (see your avatar for proof), so all I'm asking is for you to please give me a list of players who won a championship as their team's leading scorer throughout the regular season and playoffs, led the team in assists throughout the regular season and playoffs, and was the only All-Star and All-NBA player on the team, and yet was not the team's best player. Then give me the list of the players who accomplished all of the above and was "MAYBE the third best player" on said team. If you can provide that list, then I'll know you have a valid argument and aren't just a TP hater like 25% of this board.
Keep up the debate boys
Lol...
Parker isn't top 5. Not even the biggest homers would say that.
We went from beating Houston without Choke Paul to gagging away a 3-1 lead and a 19-point lead with him.
Likewise, you went from closing Portland and OKC out without Enrique to losing in the first round with him.
But, but, raw points are all that matters!!!
And closing out Dallas and Miami with him, don't forget.We went from beating Houston without Choke Paul to gagging away a 3-1 lead and a 19-point lead with him.
Likewise, you went from closing Portland and OKC out without Enrique to losing in the first round with him.
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