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    The state can't be trusted to execute the right people. Cops lie. Juries are a joke. There's an easy way to reduce the amount of money spent on prisons............start decriminalizing no-victim non violent offences.

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    start decriminalizing no-victim non violent offences.
    you left out career-stuffing, political careerist prosecutors, DAs, conspiring with cops.

    decriminalize mj completely, take it off the DEA schedule, treat like the much more dangerous, sickening alcohol and tobacco.

    But America can't do smart, civilized stuff any more. It only protects and adds the stupid (because somebody gets paid). And of course the Repugs and tea baggers obstruct EVERYTHING except what the VRWC/1%/BigCorp pays them to do.

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    Believe what you want. The cost comparison is bull .

    The reason "life in prison" trials for potential capital crimes are cheaper is because they plead out for the reduced sentence so it doesn't have to go to trial and risk the needle. Take the needle out of the equation and they have no incentive to plea and every one will go to trial. Overall cost will increase, not decrease.

    It is simple logic.

    Prosecution is salaried. They get paid no matter what they are doing. Take that cost out of the claim.
    At least half of capital cases hire their own defense attorneys. That doesn't cost the state a dime. Take that cost out of the claim.
    For the public defenders I linked the cost. $15,000 for a death penalty case certainly isn't "millions"
    Say another $15,000 for the appeal and the public defender is done. The State has fulfilled it's legal obligation.
    Any further defense motions/appeals are done by pro-bono attorneys and cost the state nothing.
    The appeals briefs for the prosecution again are from salaried attorneys. Take that cost out of the claim
    It doesn't cost any more per day to keep a guy on death row than it does for a life in prison sentence in a a maximum security prison.

    In other words, the claim that death penalty cases cost millions more than life sentence trials is total bull .
    Look up the definition of opportunity cost. Just because someone is salaried doesn't mean you can take the cost out of the equation. And you think the public defender is the only cost to the state for conducting a trial? Are you kidding? You can't be this stupid.

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    I don't support the death penalty because it's more expensive

    Sure buddy, sure.

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    I don't support the death penalty because it's more expensive

    Sure buddy, sure.
    It's reason #2 for me, killa.

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    Stupid. They would be spending the same money per day with a life sentence. Zero sum cost.
    This is pretty ignorant. Most states have automatic appeals procedures in death penalty cases. And assuming zero sum accounting with no proof is pretty stupid as well.

    Good job, fatty.

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    The 80% of the people that support the death penalty in the US don't go out and form pro-death penalty organizations and write pro death penalty newspaper articles and make being for the death penalty a focus in their life...they just support it. The minority anti's however are rabid in their opposition....linking an opinion piece that references another opinion piece that references multiple partisan "death penalty studies" certainly raises my su ions. I addressed and refuted the claims point by point. Distorting the figures to make an economic case that supports their moral case is just the latest ploy of the anti's to attempt to sway public opinion.
    Nice attempt to marginalize the compe ion with wishful thinking. You do WC proud with these mental gymnastics of horse .

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    You do boutons proud with your pompous ignorance. Opportunity cost? Yeah I guess that attorney could be plunging toilets instead of writing briefs.

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    You do boutons proud with your pompous ignorance. Opportunity cost? Yeah I guess that attorney could be plunging toilets instead of writing briefs.
    You do no one proud with stupid takes like that. Oh noes he called him boutons!

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    You do boutons proud with your pompous ignorance. Opportunity cost? Yeah I guess that attorney could be plunging toilets instead of writing briefs.
    are you actually going to stand by your completely ignorant statement that the only cost to the state for a capital punishment trial is the fee to the public defender?

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    Your reading comprehension sucks. I made no such claim.

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    Comparing cost of death penalty trials to trials that plead out to avoid the death penalty is juvenile logic. The incentive to plea is gone without it.

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    bullet is a lot cheaper

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    Comparing cost of death penalty trials to trials that plead out to avoid the death penalty is juvenile logic. The incentive to plea is gone without it.
    What was the point of you looking up the max a court appointed defense attorney in Bexar County can get for a death penalty case is $15,000?

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    ITT: cuck logic obliterated

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    Appeals. I'm good with him being in prison for life too
    You complained about it being so expensive yet here you are supporting exactly what makes the death penalty so expensive. I don't get it.

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    Appeals. I'm good with him being in prison for life too
    I think we should just execute all who committed first degree murder. Use our jails for prisoners more likely to be rehabilitated.

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    You complained about it being so expensive yet here you are supporting exactly what makes the death penalty so expensive. I don't get it.
    I'm not complaining that the death penalty is more expensive. Just stating that it is.

    are you for appeals or not? You can't have it both ways.

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    I think we should just execute all who committed first degree murder. Use our jails for prisoners more likely to be rehabilitated.
    so you don't think that people should be put in jail for life

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    Our criminal justice system doesn't rehabilitate anything. It is well known to increase recidivism and severity of criminal activities from participants. The death penalty is not an effective deterrent either. It is punitive for the sake of being punitive and little more.

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    so you don't think that people should be put in jail for life
    If they are to never to return to society, then kill them.

    Period!

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    The death penalty is not an effective deterrent either. It is punitive for the sake of being punitive and little more.
    Even if we accept that as the truth, what's wrong with it?

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    If they are to never to return to society, then kill them.

    Period!
    So what's the max time you think we should have criminals be in jail? How many years?

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    Even if we accept that as the truth, what's wrong with it?
    Because we might end up executing innocent people

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