What Waco biker shootout suggests about race in America

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you serious, Chump? I'm not claiming some of these guys weren't guilty of gun violations. Carrying guns where alcohol is served is a no no. I'm sure there were some. That doesn't excuse charging them all with a crime they didn't commit and holding them on a million dollars bail.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you serious, Chump? I'm not claiming some of these guys weren't guilty of gun violations. Carrying guns where alcohol is served is a no no. I'm sure there were some. That doesn't excuse charging them all with a crime they didn't commit and holding them on a million dollars bail.

I have yet to see anyone saying the charges or arrests are illegal in any way.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have yet to see anyone saying the charges or arrests are illegal in any way.

Then let me be the first you hear it from that says some of the arrests were bull . Arresting people for the clothes they were wearing is profiling and just as bad as arresting people for the color of their skin.

[ChumpDumper]

Then let me be the first you hear it from that says some of the arrests were bull . Arresting people for the clothes they were wearing is profiling and just as bad as arresting people for the color of their skin.

Are you saying they were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you saying they were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

I'm saying some of the people arrested were clearly innocent.

From the AP:

WACO — As gunfire broke out in the parking lot of a Texas restaurant, dozens of motorcycle riders ran inside seeking cover and tried to guide others to safety, security video reviewed exclusively by The Associated Press showed Wednesday.

What law did these people break? The shooting starts and they just want to get away and fled into the restaurant while helping others to safety?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm saying some of the people arrested were clearly innocent.

From the AP:



What law did these people break? The shooting starts and they just want to get away and fled into the restaurant while helping others to safety?

Are you saying the arrests and charges were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

[DarrinS]

Are they burning down Waco now?

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you saying the arrests and charges were illegal, CC?

Yes or no.

I'm saying that many of those arrested and charged that are still in jail on ridiculous bonds were clearly innocent of any wrong doing and the video proves it.... If it's not illegal it should be. I certainly heard the words "illegal arrest" used in the Freddy Gray case where he had apparently committed no crime except running from the police.

[ChumpDumper]

Are they burning down Waco now?

Made some threats, but backed down pretty quickly apparently.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm saying that many of those arrested and charged that are still in jail on ridiculous bonds were clearly innocent of any wrong doing and the video proves it.... If it's not illegal it should be. I certainly heard the words "illegal arrest" used in the Freddy Gray case where he had apparently committed no crime except running from the police.

So you're not saying the arrests were illegal at all.

[Trill Clinton]

I'm saying some of the people arrested were clearly innocent.

From the AP:



What law did these people break? The shooting starts and they just want to get away and fled into the restaurant while helping others to safety?

awww sweet innocent cossacks and bandido. that thuggish ruggish exterior is a mask for the cuddly teddy bears they are

[CosmicCowboy]

Chump, just admit you are wrong...they aren't all criminals, they shouldn't all still be held in jail and just move on.

[CosmicCowboy]

awww sweet innocent cossacks and bandido. that thuggish ruggish exterior is a mask for the cuddly teddy bears they are

Scared of the big bad bikers Urkel?

[DarrinS]

Made some threats, but backed down pretty quickly apparently.

So, no crowds of angry white people are gathering? I know I don't give one about these biker dudes.

[Trill Clinton]

Scared of the big bad bikers Urkel?

not scared of anyone but my parents and God, pedocowboy.

keep defending the thug bikers, though lol

[Trill Clinton]

So, no crowds of angry white people are gathering? I know I don't give one about these biker dudes.

why would people gather and protest for armed criminals who turned twin peaks into the OK corral?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, just admit you are wrong...they aren't all criminals, they shouldn't all still be held in jail and just move on.

Wrong about what?

Why resort to straw men, CC?

[ChumpDumper]

Scared of the big bad bikers Urkel?

Show up at their next meeting with a 1% patch sewed onto your vest.

So, no crowds of angry white people are gathering? I know I don't give one about these biker dudes.

So who does? What are you trying to say Darrin?

[DarrinS]

why would people gather and protest for armed criminals who turned twin peaks into the OK corral?

Exactly

[Trill Clinton]

Exactly

[ChumpDumper]

CC needs a little primer on the US legal system:

Geoffrey Corn, professor at the South Texas College of Law, joins the Texas Standard to talk about the legal challenges.



How do authorities sift through those who were engaged in organized crime and those who weren't?

"Well it's going to require a careful investigation. At this phase of the process, what they have to establish is probably cause, which is just fair probability that these individuals have committed an offense. Ultimately they're going to have to gather sufficient evidence that they can admit in court, to prove beyond a reasonable doubt whatever [crimes] they allege these individuals committed."

On those who don't seem to fit the profile of a gang member yet were still arrested:

"One thing people have to understand is that in an incident like this where you have multiple people involved, it's very common for the accusation to be based on the theory of accomplice liability. When you encourage someone else to commit a crime....you can be charged as if you committed it."

On the impact on the innocent individuals who were arrested:

"This is inherent in our criminal justice system. The system is not perfect, it's cautious...we don't charge people at the point in time where we're positive or even convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that they committed a crime in all cases. In many cases, we charge people early in the process as the investigation evolves and develops. And that's just a consequence of the system that recognizes that in many cases it's unrealistic to expect that the police have all the evidence that they need at the initiation of the process."

http://tpr.org/post/next-fight-waco-...-will-be-court

[Spurminator]

Y'all act like there's a big protest and media event every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.

[ChumpDumper]

Y'all act like there's a big protest and media event every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.

Darrin's primary news source is angry facebook posts.

[CosmicCowboy]

Y'all act like there's a big protest and media event every time a black criminal is shot by a cop while committing a crime.

Ferguson does come to mind...

[ChumpDumper]

Ferguson does come to mind...

once = every time