Without Bosh, Miami's PPG was close to being last. Boston was ranked 13th. What was Whiteside before he signed with Miami? Dragic can't play defense. Probably one of the worst PGs in regards to that.Wade missed more games last year.. , Bosh even missed an entire series and a half in the ing playoffs and LeBron still won
Um, again, look at their compe ion..they didn't even have to be good to make the playoffs, all they had to do was be a below average team..
And wow, those are quite the excuses..Whiteside isn't a flash in the pan, no, and Dragic is a really solid PG, sorry..certainly better than Marcus Smart and Tyler Zeller..
Nah man i said at the end of my post, it sucks that the Cavs are injured and falling apart but thats this year's playoffs
2015 Cavs as they are without lebron >> 2015 Heat without Lebron
(if we somehow ignore the le coattail riders that followed lebron to cleveland).
This year's heat team would blow no matter what, LeBron is just smart as about bball and calling a spade a spade
Of course the Cavs have a good supporting cast if we're just speaking from a general standpoint..you cannot make the Finals with a bad supporting cast, regardless of how bad your conference is..however, in comparison to typical Finals teams, it's a supporting cast built well around LeBron, but clearly lacking in talent..
At least with teams like the 2001 Sixers you can argue that their defense was great, which negated Iverson's supporting cast on offense, but this Cavs team was the 20th ranked defense in the league, and even after the trades at the deadline, they were still just an average defense IIRC..
A Western Conference franchise would be less likely to surround LeBron with scrubs like Anthony Parker, washed-up Ilgauskas, Mo Williams, Boobie "Finals MVP" Gibson, Ira Newble, Matthew Dellavedova, Friend Killer, and the corpses of Mike Miller and James Jones and call it a day, tbh.
Both teams would suck/do suck without Lebron. Neither make the playoffs.
I refuse to believe you believe what you are saying if you really thought about it.
If I gave you a choice of players to choose for your team, you are really saying you would choose:
Tristan over Whiteside?
JR Smith over Deng?
Shumpert over Dragic?
Mozgov over Wade?
Pretty much no matter how you slice it, none of CLE's players (because Love is out and Kyrie is hobbled) in the top 5-6 would you take over the Heat's.
I've always thought Thompson was good, in fact I was wondering WTF he wasn't playing more minutes until white bearded overrated player got hurt
JR Smith is streaky, a wild card. He's perfect next to a player next to Lebron over a ing redundant player like Deng
Shumpert over Dragic, yes any time. He plays D
And I've been saying Wade is the most overrated Shooting Guard in the history of the modern NBA, lucky piece of who never had any game and his 2006 finals team was the weakest champion of all modern NBA history.
So yes. I'd take them all.
It's almost like the Cleveland Cavaliers were secretly constructing a team to complement LeBron perfectly, ready for him when his contract was up.
K, I'm dead now
K, Whiteside > T Thompson
LOL you guys would slurp the white coming off Lebron's penis if the opportunity presented itself
He's already the 2nd greatest player of all-time. Might end up being the GOAT if he adds more hardware.
I wonder if he'll guard Curry like he guarded Rose during his MVP year? That'd be awesome to watch tbh.
LeBron is going to go nuts in the Finals, he will probably do whatever it takes to bring a championship to Cleveland. If people think it will be a cakewalk for the Warriors vs Cavs, think again. I personally think the Warriors will end up to win it but the Cavs can do it and make it tough. The Warriors don't have LeBron, so the Cavs can win it all. It's looking more and more like that will be the 2015 Finals, Cavs vs Warriors. Cleveland can win it all vs the Warriors, it just depends on LeBron and his supporting cast if they play well enough. The Warriors are the favorite, but the Cavs have a chance. Curry, Thompson, Green have no Finals experience, just their head coach Kerr.
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Honest question, if Lebron doesnt come back to CLE, but CLE still brings in Love to add to the non-playoff Cavs from last year & everything goes the same way (Anderson goes down, bring in Mozgov, trade Waiters for JR/Shump), do they make the playoffs?
They were really pretty crappy when Lebron missed that stretch.
I'm not questioning the talent of the teams he's faced in the finals. The fact is he's running through scrub teams. Also... you get no credit for your losses in any sport.
I'm not saying he should get credit. I'm saying he shouldn't be dinged.
Get the out of here.
Yeah the Cavs looked crappy really early in the season, but the trades for Mozgov, Shumpert, Smith and LeBron resting completely turned it around. I just think the team needed awhile to get the chemistry down pat.
You're arguing with idiots. Same people that think Kobe is more of a 'winner' than LBJ bc of ring count, when in reality it has everything to do with one having Shaq/LA and the other having Mo Williams/Cleveland early on. The only year he truly shrunk in was '11, if he gave Wade some decent help that year he'd have another ring. Every other year though he's been amazing--his teams not so much.
Of course he should. Just as you guys ding Kobe of 2004 and 2008. Just as Jim is dinged for 2013... James will be remembered for his failures and his poor play in the finals.
Ok, I guess another way of asking this is, do you think if you replace Lebron with any other player that the Cavs are in the ECF? If so how many players do you think you can replace Bron with?
My point is, players are either good or they aren't. Just because they are great with Lebron, doesn't mean they are great. If they go back to sucking without Lebron, then they aren't good - James is.
No way LeBron can guard Curry and still have any energy left, my guess is Irving, Delladova (whatever the f**k his name is) and Smith will be assigned to Curry if this Finals matchup happens.
LeBron isn't the 2nd GOAT, that's just your opinion.
I ding Kobe for his game, not the finals losses.
Can you imagine LeBron shooting under 40% for a Finals and his team still winning it all? That's why a championship is a team accomplishment not an individual one. LeBron has played better in losing efforts than Kirby did in '10, he just didn't have great players alongside him to help him shoulder the load like Kirby did.
It's all the LeBron show in Cleveland, so yeah without him they'd probably miss the playoffs. Great players have a way in motivating their teammates. LeBron didn't have that in the 2007 Finals vs Spurs. He didn't have it in the 2011 Finals vs Dallas. It was after that he became a leader. He did learn in Miami how to lead a team and it's showing with this Cavs team. However the 2014 Spurs team last season was like lightning in a bottle, nothing was gonna stop it, not even LeBron James.
Ok... Lebron is by far one of the worst finals performers there is. In his first 8 appearances he never even reached his scoring average in one game. James just recently lost in the finals to the exact same team that the Clippers bounced in the first round.
Sure, I get that Chill, but I'm more discussing the level of talent Lebron has around him. This team sucks - especially with no Love and Kyrie and he's still destroying the team with the best record in the league on the road.
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