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Oh that's right...so Duncan was making all those shots for Parker. Oh wait, maybe he was assisting on all those Parker buckets...oh, that's right...it was the other way around.
"He can thank Tim Duncan for having a better winning percentage than Tim Duncan." Lol.
Oh that's right...so Duncan was making all those shots for Parker. Oh wait, maybe he was assisting on all those Parker buckets...oh, that's right...it was the other way around.
And Gary Payton and Jason Kidd and Mike Conley and Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook and Lebron James.
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Re response. Duncan was in the league several years prior. And obviously Duncan is one of the greatest to have ever played. If Parker played with Rony Seikaly most of his career his winning percentage would be .
Exactly. LBJ supporting cast as follows: Drew Gooden/Daniel Gibson/Sasha Pavolic/An-old-ass-beat-up-worn-down Big Z/Eric Snow/Scot Pollard/Damon Jones/Shannon Brown/Larry Hughes etc etc. It's a miracle Cleveland even got to the finals.
As opposed to playing with Duncan/Gino/Bowen/Robert Horry.
It must be nice using statistics in a vacuum.
Are you even a real person? Or is this a troll of some sort. Because you can't be a real person. Nobody is this stupid.
I don't think anyone denies that 2007 was Tony's year. He did not need to be bailed out by a Claxton or Kerr.
SASDynasty living rent-free, tbqh
Ok so you're not denying that Parker and Dirk are the only 2 players to ever beat and outplay Lebron in a Finals. Your only argument is that Parker had guys on his team that (although they didn't play as good as Parker himself) were better than the Cleveland supporting cast. Totally agree.
TP played great in '07 Finals but he also didn't have good defense playing against him. He was defended by a hobbled Larry Hughes and Boobie Gibson.
Jason Terry outplayed Lebron in the 2011 Finals too if we're going by your comical raw numbers method of comparison. What an achievement for Tony
2003 NBA Playoffs:
Tony Parker: 14.7 PPG, 3.5 APG, 2.8 RPG
Steve Kerr: 2.2 PPG, 0.6 APG, 0.3 RPG
Speedy Claxton: 5.2 PPG, 1.9 APG, 1.9 RPG
So just so we're clear, Tony Parker getting "bailed out" means role players making a few timely shots (which everyone whose ever had a championship run has experienced). From a production standpoint, if you combined Kerr and Claxton's production for the playoffs, it comes up at about half of Tony's. I just want to make sure that you're using the argument that Tony was bailed out by a guy who averaged 2.2 PPG through the playoffs. Just wanted to make sure.
You're not understanding what I'm saying to you. LBJ put up all of those statistics despite being the focal point of the defense. Whereas Parker was not. And if you actually watched that series, you would've seen that they were not going to allow Duncan to kill them. LBJ had no relief, so in that sense, no, Parker did not out play LBJ. And the only area he really put up better raw numbers is shooting percentage. But that's easily explained away by what was previously said. And Johnny RIngo finished the last part of the argument LOL.
You must really loooove some Tony Parker to distort reality like this
Lol, I'm not arguing that there weren't excuses you could as to WHY Tony outplayed Lebron. I'm just stating the fact that he did and no other Spur ever has. I'm sure Duncan could have exploited his matchup with big Z, but he didn't like Tony did. I'm sure Ginobili could have exploited his matchup with old-ass Ray Allen in 2013, but he didn't. Every team has chances at exploiting matchups, it just doesn't always happen.You're not understanding what I'm saying to you. LBJ put up all of those statistics despite being the focal point of the defense. Whereas Parker was not. And if you actually watched that series, you would've seen that they were not going to allow Duncan to kill them. LBJ had no relief, so in that sense, no, Parker did not out play LBJ. And the only area he really put up better raw numbers is shooting percentage. But that's easily explained away by what was previously said. And Johnny RIngo finished the last part of the argument LOL.
You must really loooove some Tony Parker to distort reality like this
You're beyond help. Slurp away
Another convincing argument. 8 posts on this thread, 0 stats. Per par.You're beyond help. Slurp away
so your ending point if that LBJ and TD are better than Parker? But parker is still a historically good point guard? Cool we agree.You're not understanding what I'm saying to you. LBJ put up all of those statistics despite being the focal point of the defense. Whereas Parker was not. And if you actually watched that series, you would've seen that they were not going to allow Duncan to kill them. LBJ had no relief, so in that sense, no, Parker did not out play LBJ. And the only area he really put up better raw numbers is shooting percentage. But that's easily explained away by what was previously said. And Johnny RIngo finished the last part of the argument LOL.
You must really loooove some Tony Parker to distort reality like this
What i think people fail to appreciate about parker, is that it's not just stats. He influenced point guard play for the current nba. Guys like westrbook and kyrie are parker descendants. Parker didn't invent the teardrop or the runner, but he made it relevant to the modern game.
That's why he's historically great. He also was a leading euro player, again not the first but very important none the less.
These guys' agenda is so bad, they won't even listen to numbers. I can't imagine trying to help these guys understand Parker's intangibles.
If you think scoring slightly better, and on a better shooting percentage because of being surrounded with an all time great player, and better team overall despite being out played in every other statistical category is out playing LBJ, despite the severely worse conditions he played under, than you're delusional.
And "K", I never called him a historically great PG. And scoring PGs existed way before Parker, I don't know what the you're talking about
21% better. TWENTY ONE PERCENT. He not only outscored Lebron frieking James, but he did it shooting TWENTY ONE PERCENT better from the field in the NBA Finals. How many other Spurs have EVER outscored Lebron in the playoffs? ZERO. How many Spurs have ever shot 21% better from the field than Lebron. ZERO.If you think scoring slightly better, and on a better shooting percentage because of being surrounded with an all time great player, and better team overall despite being out played in every other statistical category is out playing LBJ, despite the severely worse conditions he played under, than you're delusional.
And "K", I never called him a historically great PG. And scoring PGs existed way before Parker, I don't know what the you're talking about
Yeah, being smothered by a historically great defender, and being funneled to another historically great defender, and being doubled at times
2007 against Boobie Gibson... one of those rare playoffs runs Tony wasn't hurt... good memories...
What's Gibson doing these days, tbh? Is he still in the league?
You're the lunatic trying to invalidate Parker's FMVP against one of the top 10 players of all-time.Yeah, being smothered by a historically great defender, and being funneled to another historically great defender, and being doubled at times
Ask Jason Kidd and Chauncey Billups (the guys who couldn't get past him and Hughes that year).
That makes no sense. Why would they know what he's doing now?
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