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  1. #26
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Parker in 07, Leonard in 14, and Ginobli's entire playoffrun in 05.
    07 playoffs:

    Duncan: 27.4 PER, 3.3 WS, .214 WS/48

    Parker: 18.7 PER, 1.6 WS, .100 WS/48

    And the Suns were the Spurs toughest matchup in that run, and guess who was better:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...S_SAS-PHO.html

    '14 playoff run:

    Duncan: 21.1 PER, 3.2 WS, .204 WS/48

    Leonard: 18.7 PER, 2.9 WS, .191 WS/48

    Manu's metrics were better in '05, though.

    Times Kobe's led the Laker le teams in those categories?

    1

  2. #27
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    His resume alone puts him squarely top 10.
    And that's not even considered the 10 years or so where he was unstoppable.

    Easily top 5 player all time career wise

  3. #28
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    No one in their right mind have Duncan in the top 10...let alone top 5...Sour fan have bIG dreams but as usual are delusional.....please tell me the analysts who have him in their top 5

  4. #29
    Controversy Koolaid_Man's Avatar
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    One le on a locked out season..2003 le when Kobe and Shaq were infighting....that one was a gift we gave you....not defending the le is proof it was one fluke after another

  5. #30
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    If I recall, I think likes using WS/48 as his go to metric:

    Number 46 all-time

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

  6. #31
    Savvy Veteran spurraider21's Avatar
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    If I recall, I think likes using WS/48 as his go to metric:

    Number 46 all-time

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html
    and behind pau, per par

  7. #32
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    If I recall, I think likes using WS/48 as his go to metric:

    Number 46 all-time

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html
    Yep:

    MVPippen my ass

    Jordan Win Shares (Regular Season with Pippen)

    YEAR WIN SHARES WS PER 48
    87-88 21.2 .308
    88-89 19.8 .292
    89-90 19.0 .285
    90-91 20.3 .321
    91-92 17.7 .274
    92-93 17.2 .270
    94-95 2.3 .167
    95-96 20.4 .317
    96-97 18.3 .283
    97-98 15.8 .238

















    VS Pippen Win Shares with Jordan (RS)


    YEAR WIN SHARES WS PER 48
    87-88 2.3 .066
    88-89 4.0 .080
    89-90 5.7 .087
    90-91 11.2 .179
    91-92 12.7 .192
    92-93 8.6 .132
    94-95 11.8 .188
    95-96 12.3 .209
    96-97 13.1 .203
    97-98 6.6 .193
    Move them goalposts, .

    "H-How m-many 60 point games does Duncan have? "

  8. #33
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    07 playoffs:

    Duncan: 27.4 PER, 3.3 WS, .214 WS/48

    Parker: 18.7 PER, 1.6 WS, .100 WS/48

    And the Suns were the Spurs toughest matchup in that run, and guess who was better:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...S_SAS-PHO.html

    '14 playoff run:

    Duncan: 21.1 PER, 3.2 WS, .204 WS/48

    Leonard: 18.7 PER, 2.9 WS, .191 WS/48

    Manu's metrics were better in '05, though.

    Times Kobe's led the Laker le teams in those categories?

    1
    not posting Kawhi's final s stats or his RS Metrics, which were both better than Duncan's


    not posting Parker's finals

    24.5 PPG, 56% Shooting

    Duncan

    18.3 PPG, 44% shooting couldn't get hard against Big Z and Varejo

    Not to mention Duncan in his prime getting on by Amare
    Last edited by Alex's foreskin; 05-29-2015 at 12:48 PM.

  9. #34
    1ST BALLOT HOF Buddy Mignon's Avatar
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    I had him at around 8... but after failing to defend more times than any other player he's fallen to between 12-19

  10. #35
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    not posting Parker's finals

    24.5 PPG, 56% Shooting

    Duncan

    18.3 PPG, 44% shooting

    Not to mention Duncan in his prime getting on by Amare
    Oh, now, now it's only ABOUT Finals performances.

    Okay:

    '00 Finals:

    Shaq: 38.0, 16, 2.3, 2.7 on 61%

    Kobe: 15.6, 4.6, 4.2 on 37%

    Not to mention Duncan in his prime getting on by Amare
    Sure:



    If that is getting your " pushed in" then what is this:


  11. #36
    Believe.
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    I had him at around 8... but after failing to defend more times than any other player he's fallen to between 12-19

  12. #37
    Believe.
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    Oh, now, now it's only ABOUT Finals performances.

    Okay:

    '00 Finals:

    Shaq: 38.0, 16, 2.3, 2.7 on 61%

    Kobe: 15.6, 4.6, 4.2 on 37%



    Sure:



    If that is getting your " pushed in" then what is this:

    Must not have much to say about Duncan other than getting outplayed

  13. #38
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    I had him at around 8... but after failing to defend more times than any other player he's fallen to between 12-19
    I think les should only count (as an individual achievement) when you outperform your counterpart. Kobe's only done that twice. Duncan has never been outplayed by the opposing PF/C in the Finals, and he's faced some good ones, like your boy Bosh and the Wallaces. Kobe has to wait for players like Kerry Kittles

  14. #39
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Must not have much to say about Duncan other than getting outplayed
    Duncan's stats are much better than Amare's. Higher shooting percentage, nearly 5 more board per game, more blocks, more assists.

    If that's "outplayed", then what do you call Kobe vs. Croshere?

  15. #40
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Outplayed by Rip Hamilton, who doubled him in boards


  16. #41
    Believe.
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    Mid is melting down, predicitable. Just relax, it's okay that Duncan wasn't the best player in the finals THREE goddamn times. It happens. Just like how he never dominated any greats at his position. That happens too.

  17. #42
    coffee is for closers Infinite_limit's Avatar
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    1. Duncan
    2. Kobe
    3. Shaq
    4. James

  18. #43
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Just like how he never dominated any greats at his position. That happens too.
    Kobe hasn't even outplayed a prime all-star at his position in the playoffs (Only Melo, but he kinda sucks).

    It happens, bro. Kerry Kittles can't always be your matchup.

  19. #44
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    His resume alone puts him squarely top 10.
    And that's not even considered the 10 years or so where he was unstoppable.

    Easily top 5 player all time career wise

  20. #45
    Believe.
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    Kobe hasn't even outplayed a prime all-star at his position in the playoffs (Only Melo, but he kinda sucks).

    It happens, bro. Kerry Kittles can't always be your matchup.
    Yet spurfan keeps shouting that Duncan is the best PF of all time, when he hasn't dominated anyone great at his position.

  21. #46
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Yet spurfan keeps shouting that Duncan is the best PF of all time, when he hasn't dominated anyone great at his position.
    Yet Lakerfan keeps shouting that Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all-time when he's never outplayed an all-star level SG in the playoffs. Not once, .

    A.I.? Outplayed him
    Reggie Miller? Outplayed him.
    Richard Hamiltion? Outplayed him.
    Prime Ray Allen? Outplayed him.
    Penny Hardaway (played SG for the Suns in '00)? Outplayed him.

    Unless it's Kerry Kittles, old Kobe has a tough time

  22. #47
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    Yet Lakerfan keeps shouting that Kobe is the 2nd best SG of all-time when he's never outplayed an all-star level SG in the playoffs. Not once, .

    A.I.? Outplayed him
    Reggie Miller? Outplayed him.
    Richard Hamiltion? Outplayed him.
    Prime Ray Allen? Outplayed him.
    Penny Hardaway (played SG for the Suns in '00)? Outplayed him.

    Unless it's Kerry Kittles, old Kobe has a tough time
    Outplayed Harden in 2010. Now get on your knees and pucker up

  23. #48
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    Outplayed Harden in 2010. Now get on your knees and pucker up
    James Harden was a rookie and only averaged like 15 minutes a game

    Scraping the bottom of the barrel, per par, .

  24. #49
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    James Harden was a rookie and only averaged like 15 minutes a game

    Scraping the bottom of the barrel, per par, .

    You said all star level, you never said WHEN they had to be.

    mid
    meltdown

  25. #50
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    James Harden was a rookie and only averaged like 15 minutes a game

    Scraping the bottom of the barrel, per par, .
    Actually, Westbrook was kind of their SG, and Kobe guarded him frequently.

    Guess what happened?

    Kobe was outplayed

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1_OKC-LAL.html

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