Spurs: Why do some of you consider Duncan to be top 10 all time?

[Splits]

Mid going in RAW

[DMC]

Duncan is top 30 player...I have Rasheed Wallace, KG, Lebron, Barkley, and Malone all ahead of him...but he's next on that power forward list....he was decent just overrated...Rasheed and KG didn't get to play with multiple Allstars in their prime like Tammy did....they were real men real studs tbh...Pop hid Duncan and covered for him his entire career but when he went to Athens in 2004 Pop couldnt hide and cover for him....so he melted down and straight up quit on his country.....real unfortunate

Says the got with "The Rebirth - Tim Duncan" above his avatar of the person he hopes the Lakers will be able to draft. Why not the rebirth of KG, Barkley, Malone, Wallace?

You can't even pretend to be that stupid.

[da_suns_fan]

He's not top 10 all-time.

He's top-3 all-time.

And there's plenty of "reasons," you're just too re ed to understand them, .

Thats absurd.

[midnightpulp]

Mid going in RAW

I admit I'm a BBallRef addict at times, and I was sincerely looking for a prime/near prime All NBA level SG that Kobe outplayed in a playoff series. Every team that featured an SG of that caliber outplayed Kobe. Pretty surprised, really.

The only decent SGs he outplayed were Manu in '08 (who was in' garbage because of a twisted ankle or a torn vagina) and a 34 year old Ray Allen in '10, who was more a roleplayer by then.

[da_suns_fan]

Duncan was never as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem and doesnt belong in the same breath as Jordan, Magic and Bird.

[Leetonidas]

Tim Duncan is widely regarded as a top 8 player of all-time by most people who watch basketball. Except for re ed Laker trolls like the ones in this forum tbh

[midnightpulp]

Thats absurd.

I was trolling somewhat, but Duncan is no worse than 6th all-time, and all the metrics and stats support that. I don't even have to invoke "rings," which I know is a sore spot for you since you think that's the only thing that keeps fatass Barkley from being more celebrated.

[midnightpulp]

Duncan was never as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem and doesnt belong in the same breath as Jordan, Magic and Bird.

Duncan actually has the second most "dominant" le run of all-time.

There's more to impact than obsolete per game stats, which I thought even you abandoned with your Dudley>Melo re ation.

I know Duncan slaughtering your Suns has you sore at him, but the statistical proof is there, like it or not.

[ambchang]

Duncan was never as dominant as Shaq or Hakeem and doesnt belong in the same breath as Jordan, Magic and Bird.

Untrue. I dug up these posts I had back in 2009:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=Duncan+Shaq
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=Duncan+Shaq

[Silver&Black]

Says the got with "The Rebirth - Tim Duncan" above his avatar of the person he hopes the Lakers will be able to draft. Why not the rebirth of KG, Barkley, Malone, Wallace?

You can't even pretend to be that stupid.

I just found this out, but Kool played D1 basketball. He's forgot more about the game than we'll ever know tbh.

[szkorhetz]

Duncan is top 30 player...I have Rasheed Wallace, KG, Lebron, Barkley, and Malone all ahead of him...but he's next on that power forward list....he was decent just overrated...Rasheed and KG didn't get to play with multiple Allstars in their prime like Tammy did....they were real men real studs tbh...Pop hid Duncan and covered for him his entire career but when he went to Athens in 2004 Pop couldnt hide and cover for him....so he melted down and straight up quit on his country.....real unfortunate

[midnightpulp]

Untrue. I dug up these posts I had back in 2009:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=Duncan+Shaq
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=Duncan+Shaq

Interestingly, Duncan's top 3 le run metrics (BPM) are better than 3 peat Shaq's. Shaq's DRAPM is pretty mediocre.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._season_p.html

And his playoff win shares per 48 are better than Shaq's, as well.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

[da_suns_fan]

Duncan actually has the second most "dominant" le run of all-time.

There's more to impact than obsolete per game stats, which I thought even you abandoned with your Dudley>Melo re ation.

I know Duncan slaughtering your Suns has you sore at him, but the statistical proof is there, like it or not.

Untrue. I dug up these posts I had back in 2009:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=Duncan+Shaq
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ht=Duncan+Shaq

A) Tell me what cons utes a "dominant" game.

B) Show me how Duncan has a "lot" of these games (for example I dont care about the one time Duncan had 27, 15 rebounds, 5 blocks, 7 assists etc).

C) I'll show you how Shaq had LOTS more of these games than Duncan.

For example:

Number of games a player had 30 points and 15 rebounds (pretty great game for a big man). Its Shaq number one and no one else even comes close. Thats just how dominant he was.


1 Shaquille O'Neal C 1993 2007 105
2 Charles Barkley* F 1986 1999 83
3 Hakeem Olajuwon* C 1986 1997 72
4 Karl Malone* F 1987 2000 70
5 Patrick Ewing* C 1986 1999 51
6 David Robinson* C 1990 2000 49
7 Tim Duncan F 1998 2013 44

[da_suns_fan]

Or how about "30 points, 15 rebounds and 2 blocks":

Its Shaq and Hakeem and then everyone else. Shaq had twice as many games as Duncan:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts

[da_suns_fan]

Or how about "30 points, 15 rebounds and 2 blocks":

Its Shaq and Hakeem and then everyone else. Shaq had twice as many games as Duncan:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts

This is actually kind of pathetic.

Duncan had 30 30/15/2 games and Charles Barkely had 28 despite being 5-7 inches shorter. Shaq had 79.

[Malik Hairston]

Or how about "30 points, 15 rebounds and 2 blocks":

Its Shaq and Hakeem and then everyone else. Shaq had twice as many games as Duncan:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...=&order_by=pts

You're using random, arbitrary, single-game examples using an antiquated method like raw points and rebounds numbers..

[da_suns_fan]

In 2000 and 2001, Shaq AVERAGED a 30/15/2 game in the playoffs (remember this isnt one series...this across FOUR playoff series).

Thats just RIDICULOUS.

[da_suns_fan]

You're using random, arbitrary, single-game examples using an antiquated method like raw points and rebounds numbers..

Arbitrary, yes. Random, no. Points, rebounds and blocks are "typical" stats we look at for a F/C.

Pick your categories. SHow me that Duncan did this a lot of times. I'll show you Shaq did it more.

[Malik Hairston]

Duncan does extremely well in virtually all advanced metrics, which is the method today's fans and new-media use to judge players..going forward, it's only going to become more data-based, rather than the old methods like raw numbers and unquantifiable traits like "killer instinct" and aesthetics..based on data + longevity + accolades, Duncan will be remembered as a top 5 player of all-time..I'm pretty sure RealGM did their top 100 and he was in the top 5 IIRC.,

[Malik Hairston]

Arbitrary, yes. Random, no. Points, rebounds and blocks are "typical" stats we look at for a F/C.

Pick your categories. SHow me that Duncan did this a lot of times. I'll show you Shaq did it more.

Shaq was unquestionably more dominant than Duncan, I don't disagree with that..

[da_suns_fan]

Oh, and Shaq shot > 55% in 2000 and 2001 in the playoffs while averaging those crazy numbers.

I dont remember ANY other player who just made the rest of the league throw their hands in the air and say " it". Not even Jordan.

[da_suns_fan]

Shaq was unquestionably more dominant than Duncan, I don't disagree with that..

Im trying to think if Shaq was more dominant that anyone, ever.

[ImDaNuts]

Duncan will be around 6-8 when it's all said and done.

[Sean Cagney]

Oh, and Shaq shot > 55% in 2000 and 2001 in the playoffs while averaging those crazy numbers.

I dont remember ANY other player who just made the rest of the league throw their hands in the air and say " it". Not even Jordan.

Shaq for that stretch of a few years was one of the most unstoppable forces the game has ever seen. You could not slow him down. I am a huge Tim fan but as far as Shaq goes for that run he had of a few years nobody was as dominant (Jordan maybe). Tims obviously has the longevity and stayed far more consistent for longer but I admit Shaq was a monster and I have not seen anything like that since. He was a nightmare.

I don't even bother with that dude, his posts are just outlandish.

[ImDaNuts]

Shaq>Duncan in their prime. But Duncan has also had a better foundation around him, better coaching and his role led him to be successful throughout his entire career. Nothing flashy, but he got the job done.