Bulls: ESPN Has Lied To You: 10 Reasons MJ Is Not the GOAT

**ambchang** · 06-01-2015

http://zoomtens.com/espn-has-lied-to...r-of-all-time/

Pretty horrible in terms of content, filled with half-truths and "facts" that applies to pretty much every single player in any team sport (wow, he couldn't play make as well for his teammates when his teammates sucked as compared to when his teammates were great? Who knew?).

At least we know where Malik Hairston gets his "arguments" from now, though.

**Infinite_limit** · 06-01-2015

10. So the bottom cellars were extra bad. This might lower the accomplishment of 72-10 but it didn't alter the Bulls chances of winning/losing in the Playoffs

9. He probably should have gotten the Wiz into the Playoffs one of those seasons
2002: 37-45, Jordan played 60 games, Rip Hamilton, Chris Whitney & Leattner
2003: 37-45, Jordan played 82 games, Stackhouse, Hughes & Laettner

Wiz had 25 wins in 2004 & 19 wins in 2001

8. He was ball hog. Meh

7. Didn't get past the 1st Round without Pippen. Honestly impressive to even make the Playoffs in the mid 80's East

6. MJ defeated overrated teams in the Finals. Disagreed, felt Suns were very strong. 91 Lakers were the only push over. As someone on here illustrated a couple days ago: Jordan was the underdog twice in the Finals. Only favorite twice. That tells me quality opponents. Author says 80's Jazz were better than 90's Jazz? No

5. Not a great playmaker? Huh

4. Constantly lost in the 80s. Yup, he wasn't good enough and the other teams were loaded

3. Other players have GOAT arguments. Agreed

2. 1998 was a very weak season. Isn't this argument #10 again? Who cares how bad the bottom cellars were

1. 1994 Bulls weren't much weaker without MJ. The roster added a-lot of pieces in 1994. Team digressed in 1995 and needed MJ's return to propel the team up the standings [34-31 when MJ returned. Team finished 13-4]

**Koolaid_Man** · 06-01-2015

**Caltex2** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by Infinite_limit

10. So the bottom cellars were extra bad. This might lower the accomplishment of 72-10 but it didn't alter the Bulls chances of winning/losing in the Playoffs

9. He probably should have gotten the Wiz into the Playoffs one of those seasons
2002: 37-45, Jordan played 60 games, Rip Hamilton, Chris Whitney & Leattner
2003: 37-45, Jordan played 82 games, Stackhouse, Hughes & Laettner

Wiz had 25 wins in 2004 & 19 wins in 2001

8. He was ball hog. Meh

7. Didn't get past the 1st Round without Pippen. Honestly impressive to even make the Playoffs in the mid 80's East

6. MJ defeated overrated teams in the Finals. Disagreed, felt Suns were very strong. 91 Lakers were the only push over. As someone on here illustrated a couple days ago: Jordan was the underdog twice in the Finals. Only favorite twice. That tells me quality opponents. Author says 80's Jazz were better than 90's Jazz? No

5. Not a great playmaker? Huh

4. Constantly lost in the 80s. Yup, he wasn't good enough and the other teams were loaded

3. Other players have GOAT arguments. Agreed

2. 1998 was a very weak season. Isn't this argument #10 again? Who cares how bad the bottom cellars were

1. 1994 Bulls weren't much weaker without MJ. The roster added a-lot of pieces in 1994. Team digressed in 1995 and needed MJ's return to propel the team up the standings [34-31 when MJ returned. Team finished 13-4]

Besides 1993 at Phoenix, what years were the Bulls not the favorite in the NBA Final? Even when they didn't have homecourt against the Jazz in MJ's last Finals appearance, most still thought of it as a foregone conclusion they'd win.

Without clicking on the article, the author must have been born in 1990 or later. If you don't think MJ was GOAT, you must not have seen him play very much, especially before the first retirement. I can't speak to a player like Wilt Chaimberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Bill Russell well before my time (who also played in a totally different era with less talent and no 3-point line) but even Bird and Magic thought he was the best.

**baseline bum** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by Infinite_limit

7. Didn't get past the 1st Round without Pippen. Honestly impressive to even make the Playoffs in the mid 80's East

Yeah, it was so hard the Bulls got in with a 30-52 record in 85-86.

**Mikeanaro** · 06-01-2015

I guess Lebron is the best ever

**lefty** · 06-01-2015

the GOAT is a white dude tbh

**baseline bum** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by lefty

the GOAT is a white dude tbh

I love Bird's game, but I'll take Jordan and Magic over him.

**lefty** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by baseline bum

I love Bird's game, but I'll take Jordan and Magic over him.

Ill take Bird over that clown MJ tbh

Bird had much more impact than Mike TBH, and his athleticism sucked ass

**AlexJones** · 06-01-2015

lol Larry's true shooting %

**lefty** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by AlexJones

lol Larry's true shooting %

Yeah obsiously they left him wide open all night as it's the case in today'S NBA

**Thread** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by baseline bum

I love Bird's game, but I'll take Jordan and Magic over him.

He was big shot. Then? He let Magic snooker him,,,seduce him,,,pull his pants down,,,then when Larry was sufficiently softened up? Mag hustled his ass to the rocks...and left him there.

No more big shot.

**JohnnyMax** · 06-01-2015

Alot of the anti-Jordan points are debunked on here

http://nobodytouchesjordan.blogspot.com/?view=magazine

**DMC** · 06-01-2015

This is all preliminary, testing of the waters to usher in a new king, something to write about.

**Thread** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by DMC

This is all preliminary, testing of the waters to usher in a new king, something to write about.

GS would derail it, set it into jeopardy. Sure, they'd burn Blatt at the stake, but, James would still be sitting there with on,,,,,I mean sittin' there with two, because you couldn't hold your in' water.

**lefty** · 06-01-2015

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2i...uchable-part-1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlfiMDUTQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53dn_D6FWBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5oCGz32_Zg

**DMC** · 06-01-2015

Originally Posted by Thread

GS would derail it, set it into jeopardy. Sure, they'd burn Blatt at the stake, but, James would still be sitting there with on,,,,,I mean sittin' there with two, because you couldn't hold your in' water.

Doesn't matter. He's lost 3 of 5 and he's still being outfitted for the coop. Had your Kobe not leg ridden bigs thus cementing his legacy as a great 2nd option, James would have a harder row to hoe.