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    Bernie Sanders' Bold Debate Proposal: 'I'll Debate GOP Candidates Before the Primary


    Bernie Sanders would like to shake up the 2016 presidential campaign by having debates with Republicans before either party select their nominee, he told MSNBC Tuesday.


    “I will tell you why… the Republicans get away with murder,” he replied to host Rachel Maddow, when asked about debating Republicans.

    “They have an absolutely reactionary agenda,” he said. “They may vary a little bit from this candidate to the other, but basically what these guys are about is huge tax breaks for billionaires, massive cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, education, nutrition, environmental programs. And clearly, some of the Republican candidates, like Jeb Bush and Chris Christie, have talked about—they want to cut Social Security.”

    “Now they get away with that stuff because a lot of people don’t know what they are talking about,” Sanders continued, making the case for debates. “If we can confront them and debate issues, rather than allow the media to get into political gossip and polling and fundraising, but talk about the issues, I think their agenda does not reflect more than 15 or 20 percent of the American people.”


    http://www.alternet.org/election-201...ter1037324&t=7

    Will any of the less, ball-less wimps on the Repug side take up SOCIALIST Bernie's challenge?



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    Bernie Sanders. He is as irrelevant to election 2016 as Donald Trump.

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    Bernie Sanders. He is as irrelevant to election 2016 as Donald Trump.
    he's making waves, and will pull Hillary to the left, at least in the campaign. She'll be center-right in office, but of course if Dems don't win House and Senate, she'll be harmless.

    ALL of the Repug losers are irrelevant.

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    Bernie Sanders won't pull Hillary to the left. Again, he is totally irrelevant and she knows it. she knows that when she inevitably gets the nomination the far left will still hold their noses and vote for her as the lesser of their perceived evils.

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    Bernie's positions, like Warren's, attack inequality

    Inequality a Major Issue for Americans, Times/CBS Poll Finds

    The poll found that a strong majority say that wealth should be more evenly divided and that it is a problem that should be addressed urgently.

    Nearly six in 10 Americans said government should do more to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor, but they split sharply along partisan lines.

    Only one-third of Republicans supported a more active government role, versus eight in 10 of Democrats.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/04...inds.html?_r=1

    Of course, Repugs voters, the party exclusively of the wealthy whites, would not want inequality lessened.



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    Socialism doesn't do jack to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a got.

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    Sanders rousing the rabble per par.

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    Socialism doesn't do jack to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a got.
    Has a libertarian society ever existed?

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    Socialism doesn't do jack to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a got.
    USA style of capitalism screws the 99%

    social democracies in other industrial countries working a lot better than USA's kleptocratic corporatocracy.

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    Bernie Sanders. He is as irrelevant to election 2016 as Donald Trump.
    GOP running scurred, none of their candidates could touch Sanders in any debate about literally anything

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    USA style of capitalism screws the 99%

    social democracies in other industrial countries working a lot better than USA's kleptocratic corporatocracy.
    Examples?

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    Socialism doesn't do jack to make society more "equal." Never has, never will. Bernie is a got.
    Let me guess, Libertarian's will make change, totally not conservative hacks

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    Will any of the less, ball-less wimps on the Repug side take up SOCIALIST Bernie's challenge?

    GOP candidates can't say when they've got the money of their wealthy donors jammed down their throat. They've all done a good job so far of completely evading Sanders and only talking about Hillary.

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    only talking about Hillary.
    ... and Slick Willy

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    Surprise! Poll shows most Republicans don't want policies doing anything about wealth inequality




    Washington Post/ABC News poll:

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    Do you think the federal government should or should not pursue policies that try to reduce the gap between wealthy and less well-off Americans?"

    With the gap between the rich and poor reaching levels unseen in generations, it’s an important area of debate and I’m glad the poll included it. What’s more, the results were pretty one-sided: among all American adults, 62% believe the government should try to reduce the wealth gap, while only 31% believe otherwise. That’s a 2-to-1 advantage.
    What’s more, support for action in this area is quite broad. A majority of Americans regardless of race, for example, support actions to reduce the wealth gap.

    A majority of Americans regardless of age agree. Indeed, across the board—gender, level of education, household income, geographic region—there’s a broad consensus that this is an issue worthy of national action.

    But the Republican majority rejects the idea.

    Conservatives reject the idea.

    And white Christian evangelicals reject the idea.

    As Benen points out, while Republicans are obviously out of touch with most Americans on this issue, they are in touch with their base, the people who will eagerly vote in the primaries for candidates who not only oppose reducing inequality but also support policies that worsen it.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/0...8Daily+Kos%29#

    Repugnants, the party of wealthy white sociopaths, racists, Bible humpers, gun fellators, etc.



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    Well, there's the Nordic model that will collapse by 2030 due to a lack of investment or job creation, and is being abandoned by the Nordic countries via spending and en lement cuts. Oops... well, there's still the Greek socialist model - oh wait, they went bankrupt. Well, there's still Argentina - oh wait, they're near bankruptcy and about to lose their credit rating. But, but, it just hasn't been tried correctly!

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    Well, there's the Nordic model that will collapse by 2030 due to a lack of investment or job creation, and is being abandoned by the Nordic countries via spending and en lement cuts. Oops... well, there's still the Greek socialist model - oh wait, they went bankrupt. Well, there's still Argentina - oh wait, they're near bankruptcy and about to lose their credit rating. But, but, it just hasn't been tried correctly!
    but but but boutons surely has examples

    second thread this got has ran from today

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    but but but boutons surely has examples

    second thread this got has ran from today
    His programming apparently doesn't include answers for when he's proven wrong or backed into a corner. Not even a token "You Lie."

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    "Nordic model that will collapse by 2030"

    whose prediction is that? Glenn Beck? Heritage stink tank under Jim Demented?

    Greece has always been more corrupt than socialist, with $Bs in tax evasion not prosecuted, even more corrupt than USA, and, as many "serious people" said at the time, should not have been accepted into EU.



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    "Nordic model that will collapse by 2030"

    whose prediction is that? Glenn Beck? Heritage stink tank under Jim Demented?

    Actual researchers from the Nordic countries:

    http://www.feps-europe.eu/assets/be19fb1f-35a7-4465-9cb2-ca165ddcfb6a/20393-ex-sum-feps.pdf

    Greece has always been more corrupt than socialist, with $Bs in tax evasion not prosecuted, even more corrupt than USA, and, as many "serious people" said at the time, should not have been accepted into EU.

    That's what happens when you give the state more and more power: corruption.

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    "Productivity growth has stagnated, employment ratesare lower than 25 years ago and total unemployment in the Nordic region is higher than inBritain and Germany. The Nordic unemployment rate in 2014 is higher than after the recession in2003-2004. In Denmark, Finland and Iceland, all of which were hard hit by the financial crisis,GDP is still lower than in 2008. The rates of growth and investment remain sluggish in all theNordic countries."

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    But unemployment has entrenched itselfat a high level in Finland and Sweden, where also the proportion of temporary jobs is high byinternational standards. In all countries there are signs of new dividing lines, pressure on thelowest wages and growing wage dispersion inequality, deteriorating working environments andincreased exclusion in parts of the labour market."

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    Stagnation inemployment rates and a stable number of working age who is dependent on governmenttransfers creates pressure on the Nordic welfare states."

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    If the rate of change of recent decades continues, in 2030 the Nordic countries together willhave a lower proportion of unionized workers than Norway does today, and lower employmentrate and higher income inequality than the Germany of today. If developments continue alongthe lines of the Nordic countries with the poorest results so far, the employment rate andinequality in 2030 will be similar to France today. The Nordic model may crumble and theparticularities of the Nordic model weaken.... It is not long until 2030 - in practice three parliamentary periods – but the range of outcomes iswide: if employment rates in the Nordic region shall reach the average level of employment inNorway and Iceland in the period 2000-2014, there will be a need for at least 1.3 million morejobs by 2030."

    But, but, socialism works!!!

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    His programming apparently doesn't include answers for when he's proven wrong or backed into a corner. Not even a token "You Lie."
    Have you provided an example of a libertarian society that ever existed, much less actually worked?

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    His programming apparently doesn't include answers for when he's proven wrong or backed into a corner. Not even a token "You Lie."
    Have you provided an example of a libertarian society that ever existed, much less actually worked?
    Oh look. I found one for you: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...nd_settlement/

    we'll see how long this ty little experiment lasts.

    when are you moving?

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    are all the residents required to grow neck beards?

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    That's what happens when you give the state more and more power: corruption.
    Yeah, because that GOP Libertarian 'individualism' promotes real fairness and balance. 'Individualism' is just an excuse for rich ers to take money from poor ers and call it wealth creation. Now if that's not corrupt then what is.

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