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Although I agree with the article that Bush Sr and Bill were above and beyond these last two guys, despite their own flaws, tbh
Although I agree with the article that Bush Sr and Bill were above and beyond these last two guys, despite their own flaws, tbh
oh yeah, particularly in the case of Bill. the .com boom certainly was a big factor for the economic success of those years, but Bill has been the best president of my lifetime
dubya was a clown, but i've found it really difficult to like anything about Oblamo
Obummer
Americans are so ing stupid (aka "red states"), so INFAMOUSLY with short memories, so ing saturated with celebrity/personality/beauty contests/Tee iing Vee fabricated "reality".
Remember that dubya's disapproval was in the cellar as he left office, and way below what happens to every President, including Obama, in 2nd terms.
Obama got a lot of 2008 votes because he was the anti-dubya, the non-Repug- er-upper, was a relief from the Repug Reign of Error, 2 bogus, botched wars, Katrina, a ed economy, failed national defense on 9/11, etc, etc. "just go shopping"
A trip down memory lane:
5 reasons George W. Bush is still one of the worst presidents ever
1) He failed on September 11
Few would disagree that the September 11 terrorist attacks were a defining moment of Bush’s presidency. As president, his foremost responsibility was bringing the mastermind behind those attacks—al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden—to justice.
Bush failed in this mission. Instead of prioritizing hunting bin Laden down inPakistan, where he was suspected of hiding (and where Obama promised to get him during the 2008 presidential election), Bush waged two costly and ineffective wars. The first was against Afghanistan, a nation that harbored bin Laden and his al-Qaeda terrorists but was not formally governed by them, and the second againstIraq, a nation that had absolutely nothing to do with September 11.
In the process, he significantly damaged America’s reputation overseas (which didn’t begin to improve until the beginning of Obama’s presidency) and destabilized the Middle East in ways that we’re still seeing today. Remember that time Jeb Bush was asked about his brother’s role in creating ISIS? That’s because his brother helped create ISIS.
2) His policies caused the Great Recession
When Bush took office, he inherited a strong economy built by President Bill Clinton: unemployment had fallen from 7.3% to 4.2%, creating more than 22 million jobs in the process, and the median family income had increased by more than $6,000.
By comparison, Bush’s presidency only managed to oversee the creation of fewer than 1.1 million jobs, by far the lowest of any president since Harry Truman, while income inequality expanded at staggering levels. The top 10 percent of American earners pulled in almost half of total wages, the most lopsided wealth distribution since 1917.
Although the economic stagnation became apparent very early in his first term, it didn’t turn into a full-fledged recession until the collapse of America’s financial industry in 2008, after which unemployment shot up from 6.2 percent in September (the month of the crash) to 7.7 percent in January (the end of Bush’s presidency). This was an average increase of 0.3% per month.
Considering that Bush’s policy of Wall Street deregulation was largely responsible for the reckless practices of the “too big to fail” banks that brought the economy to its knees, it’s fair to say that this was one of the two most significant fiscal failures of his administration.
The other, of course, was his squandering of the Clinton budget surplus. When Clinton left office in January 2001, he bequeathed America with a projected $1.9 trillion surplus. By the time Bush handed the economy off to Obama in 2009, the Congressional Budget Office projected $1.2 trillion in debt, due largely to Bush’s$1.5 trillion in tax cuts to the wealthy, as well as the additional trillions spent on the aforementioned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
3) He eroded American civil liberties to an unprecedented degree
When Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) cast his vote against the USA PATRIOT Act—the only member of the Senate to do so—he explained his reasoning as follows:
In the play, A Man for All Seasons, Sir Thomas More questions the bounder Roper whether he would level the forest of English laws to punish the Devil. “What would you do?” More asks, “Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?” Roper affirms, “I’d cut down every law in England to do that.”
To which More replies:
“And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you—where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country’s planted thick with laws from coast to coast… and if you cut them down… d’you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake.”
Feingold’s words proved quite prophetic. From torturing suspected terrorists in clear violation of the Geneva Convention to laying the groundwork for the NSA’s unprecedented domestic spying program, Bush’s post-9/11 legislative initiatives ultimately threatened American freedom more than Osama bin Laden’s schemes ever managed to do.
America’s surveillance age hasn’t made the world any safer from terrorism, sacrificing your privacy for what’s proving to be nothing more an endless war on America’s own people.
4) He bungled his response to Hurricane Katrina
Believe it or not, it isn’t that difficult for a president to effectively manage disaster relief after a hurricane: Lyndon Johnson famously mastered the aftermath of Hurricane Betsy in 1965, while Barack Obama’s response to Hurricane Sandy was so effective that it was erroneously credited for his reelection in 2012.
By contrast, Bush utterly failed when Hurricane Katrina wreaked havoc on the Gulf Coast in 2005—a subsequent report by the House of Representatives found that his administration disregarded numerous warnings of the threat to New Orleans, did not execute emergency plans, and neglected to share information between different departments that could have saved lives.
5) When it came to one of the biggest civil rights issue of his time, he placed himself on the wrong side of history
When future historians look back at the early 21st century, there is little question that they will view the campaign for LGBT equality as one of the major civil rights movements of the era. Yet not only did Bush fail to advocate on behalf of the LGBT community (despite his vice president having a lesbian daughter and his party being chaired by a closeted gay man, Ken Mehlman, during his second term), but he actively exploited anti-gay bigotry during his reelection campaign in 2004. This was particularly the case in states like Ohio, where its pull among so-called “value voters” played a considerable role (alongside racially based voter suppression) in Bush’s winning that state—and with it, the general election.
None of this means that George W. Bush is a bad human being, or even that he set out to cause harm to the nation he professes to love. At the same time,
no bounce in his approval rating can eclipse the damage that he did while in office.
More Americans may like Bush than dislike him right now, but when his legacy is ultimately appraised, the final verdict will not be a kind one.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/07/5_re..._ever_partner/
So now you ignorant rednecks list ALL THE GREAT THINGS dubya's years REALLY achieved.
The Katrina angle was more than bungling by "the MBA presidency". MBAs!
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Nice spam, but nobody thinks Dubya is anything other than a complete joke of a president. That's why Obummer is being ridiculed for polling even less favorably than Dubya.
not nice spam, but great facts.
Still waiting for you rightwingnutters to list all the great things dubya did, and all the horrible things Obama has done, and more specifically, all the great things Obama/Dems wanted to do but were obstructed by the Repugs, as the Repugs have continued to crater the recovery from the Repug Banksters Great Depression.
you rightwingnutjubs are 100% faith-based, faith that's easily destroyed with facts.
I hate Clinton, he's right behind Bush Jr for the worst of my lifetime for how he fell asleep on regulating derivatives, just taking Greenspan's for gospel. Bush Sr is far and away the best president of my lifetime.
This country is ed when it's going to be Clinton vs Walker, this will be even worse than Bush vs Gore or Obama vs Romney.
To be fair I was a year old when bill took office. Plus he gets bonus points for being the first black president
Why can't they both off
Roosevelt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clinton>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bush Jr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hoover>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ron Paul as President.
Obama's approval rating will be higher when he is out of office as well. Nature of the beast.
Ron would have been the greatest and most popular POTUS of all time, with all the liberty and prosperity he'd be bringing.
You do realize that there are plenty of "rightwingnutters" who think Dubya was a joke and one of the worst presidents ever, right?
But here's my list of great things he did:
1. Got the out of office
2. Didn't grab for extra terms like FDR
Bushy couldn't run for a third term.
The Cons ution meant nothing to Bushy or his cronies, as we saw during his time in office.
The 22nd amendment did.
Which is why I listed that as one of the only good things he's done. It's a good thing he didn't treat the 22nd Amendment like he treated the War Powers Clause or the 4th Amendment.
Then again, we ended up getting two more terms of Dubya anyway under the stage name Barack Obama.
rightwingnutters voted him and all Repugs into office, repeatedly, thanks!
elections have consequences, and you rightwingnutters enabled the Repugs to slaughter, to waste 6000 US military lives in Afghanistatn and Iraq.
Next time, vote for somebody's policies, rather than his beer-drinking amiability.
I never voted for Dubya, and he only won because he faced weak compe ion and he lied his ass off to begin with by running on a platform of smaller government and no more nation-building in 2000.
Yeah but Bush was and got outta there before he was assassinated by Al Qaeda. And on FDR, wouldn't you grab extra terms if you were single handedly fixing a country to prevent it from being ed again?
How did he violate that?
Obama inherited an easier situation [most initial Presidential support since Reagan?] than the one Bush was thrusted into after 9/11
I'm not about to credit Obama for continuing a War instead of starting one. He wasn't in Office and probably would have reacted in mostly the same manner. Especially if it occurred early on in Obama's Presidency when he was a complete pushover for the Republicans.
Socially I think Obama has been MUCH worse than GWB. And cultural wise call him the divider
The only Obama bright spots
- Initial excitement/bringing the nation together
- Not sending weapons to Ukraine
- Being one of the few American politicians to not blow that cir cized netanyahu
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