George W. Bush outpolls Barack Obama

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah but Bush was and got outta there before he was assassinated by Al Qaeda. And on FDR, wouldn't you grab extra terms if you were single handedly fixing a country to prevent it from being ed again?

He didn't do . It took WWII, post-WWII spending cuts, and the JFK tax cuts to finally fix the economy after FDR had screwed it up even worse.

And no, I wouldn't go for two extra terms. The two-term tradition dates back to Washington. Grabbing for more just makes you look greedy and power-hungry, but what else can you expect from the guy who also tried to stack the Supreme Court with his cronies?

[Clipper Nation]

How did he violate that?

Dubya pushed the Authorization of Military Force, an act that completely contradicts the War Powers Clause, through a Congress that was obviously going to be extremely self-conscious about appearing "soft on terrorism" in any way considering what had just happened days earlier.

As for the 4th Amendment, the Patriot Act was a flagrant violation of our right to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Since you live to argue in every thread on this site, I look forward to seeing how you - a bleeding-heart lib - spin to defend George W. Bush of all people.

[SnakeBoy]

Ron would have been the greatest and most popular POTUS of all time, with all the liberty and prosperity he'd be bringing.

That might be the funniest sentence I've ever seen posted on ST.

[Blizzardwizard]

He didn't do . It took WWII, post-WWII spending cuts, and the JFK tax cuts to finally fix the economy after FDR had screwed it up even worse.

And no, I wouldn't go for two extra terms. The two-term tradition dates back to Washington. Grabbing for more just makes you look greedy and power-hungry, but what else can you expect from the guy who also tried to stack the Supreme Court with his cronies?

FDR didn't do ? Now I know you're Libertarian but come on son that's stretching the truth quite a bit..

[boutons_deux]

He didn't do . It took WWII, post-WWII spending cuts

CN parroting the VRWC/Heritage/Cato FDR trashing points.

They've hated FDR for 80 years for minimum wage, 40 hour week, social security, union protections, MASSIVE GOVT spending (aka Keynesian counter-cyclical spending) to build hydroelectric dams (Las Vegas says thanks!), flood control, rural electrification (rednecks in the Tennessee Valley Authority and everywhere say thanks, Franklin!), Glass-Steagal to throttle the financial sector, etc, etc.

FDR's fault was that he cut back govt spending too soon, aka AUSTERITY (ALWAYS FAILS), and the country began to slide back.

Then MASSIVE govt spending after Pearl Harbor got the country moving again. Meanwhile, the financial sector, 1%, BigCorp did all except benefit from MASSIVE FDR SPENDING, creating Ms of jobs and $Bs in wealth.

[vander]

one of the worst Repub/conservative vs. probably the best socialist/lib...

[Clipper Nation]

CN parroting the VRWC/Heritage/Cato FDR trashing points.

They've hated FDR for 80 years for minimum wage, 40 hour week, social security, union protections, MASSIVE GOVT spending (aka Keynesian counter-cyclical spending) to build hydroelectric dams (Las Vegas says thanks!), flood control, rural electrification (rednecks in the Tennessee Valley Authority and everywhere say thanks, Franklin!), Glass-Steagal to throttle the financial sector, etc, etc.

FDR's fault was that he cut back govt spending too soon, aka AUSTERITY (ALWAYS FAILS), and the country began to slide back.

Then MASSIVE govt spending after Pearl Harbor got the country moving again. Meanwhile, the financial sector, 1%, BigCorp did all except benefit from MASSIVE FDR SPENDING, creating Ms of jobs and $Bs in wealth.

Actual quote from FDR's treasury secretary: "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!"

The reality is, FDR left office with average unemployment actually higher than it was the year before he took office, and the introduction of New Deal Part II actually made the unemployment rate skyrocket back up. He barely made a dent in the national debt, and the cost of doing business rose by 40%, which proved fatal for small businesses. Industrial production remained below 1929 levels. At the height of his anti-business zeal, FDR pretty much single-handedly halted expansion, equipment purchases and other private investment with the undistributed profits tax. The New Deal is one of the most overrated and overhyped crocks of bull in American history.

[ChumpDumper]

Dubya pushed the Authorization of Military Force, an act that completely contradicts the War Powers Clause, through a Congress that was obviously going to be extremely self-conscious about appearing "soft on terrorism" in any way considering what had just happened days earlier.

So the Congress authorized Bush to use the military and he did. Where is the violation here?

As for the 4th Amendment, the Patriot Act was a flagrant violation of our right to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Parts of it have been ruled uncons utional already, so you'll have to be more specific.

Since you live to argue in every thread on this site, I look forward to seeing how you - a bleeding-heart lib - spin to defend George W. Bush of all people.

None of that changes his incompetence and terrible judgment. It is possible to follow the roles and suck.

[Blizzardwizard]

The New Deal is one of the most overrated and overhyped crocks of bull in American history.

Nah, you just won't accept that a Progressive, maybe socialist style reform (gasp) gave poor people jobs and that 'Big Government' saved the economy.

Libertarians: "Damn government, giving people jobs! The government should leave them in their Hoovervilles to die ! They don't want government support! "

[DMX7]

I approve of the fact that George W Bush is no longer in office. I think most people do .

[spurraider21]

Parts of it have been ruled uncons utional already, so you'll have to be more specific.

when were those parts found to be uncons utional?

None of that changes his incompetence and terrible judgment. It is possible to follow the roles and suck.

Do you think bush followed all the rules?

[ChumpDumper]

when were those parts found to be uncons utional?

Like 2004 IIRC.

Do you think bush followed all the rules?

All? I didn't say that. But I saw no violation of war powers and the PATRIOT Act played out in the courts like other laws have been. Doesn't mean I agree with either.

[spurraider21]

Like 2004 IIRC.

so would it be fair to say that in the time between the passage of the patriot act and 2004... that some of bush's actions violated the cons ution?

All? I didn't say that. But I saw no violation of war powers and the PATRIOT Act played out in the courts like other laws have been. Doesn't mean I agree with either.

so do you think bush ever violated the cons ution?

[ChumpDumper]

so would it be fair to say that in the time between the passage of the patriot act and 2004... that some of bush's actions violated the cons ution?

I doubt it would have even been that long considering the judicial and appeals process -- the process to which I had alluded.

so do you think bush ever violated the cons ution?

I wouldn't doubt it; I do not have the full accounting of all his actions while in office. If you have assumed I said he never did in any case, you have done so in error.

[boutons_deux]

George W. Bush on the Stump: Suckers Really Are Born Every Minute

Good heavens, the going rate for malaprops has soared.

Since 2009, POLITICO has found, Bush has given at least 200 paid speeches and probably many more, typically pocketing $100,000 to $175,000 per appearance.

The part-time work, which rarely requires more than an hour on stage, has earned him tens of millions of dollars.

Relative to the Clintons, though, he's attracted considerably less attention, almost always doing his paid public speaking in private, in convention centers and hotel ballrooms, resorts and casinos, from Canada to Asia, from New York to Miami, from all over Texas to Las Vegas a bunch, playing his part in what has become a lucrative staple of the modern post-presidency.

Yes, fools and their money continue to be pretty easily parted.

He has talked to the National Grocers Association and the National Association for Home Care and Ho e and the National Association of Chain Drug Stores.

He's talked to global wealth management firms and multinational energy companies.

He has talked to motivational seminars and boat builders and something called the Work Truck Show.

He has talked to the chambers of commerce in San Diego and Wichita. "Evil is real," he said at the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor in Belton, Texas.

"Bowling is fun," he said at a get-together for the Bowling Proprietors' Association of America in Orlando.

"History will ultimately judge whether I made the right decisions or not," he said at a gathering put on by the Advertising Specialty Ins ute in Dallas.

Good god, 175-G's for "Bowling is fun"? I am so in the wrong racket.

And give props to Mike Kruse, Tiger Beat On The Potomac's best hire ever, for the finest in deadpan humor.

Bush seems not to make as many foreign trips, either, preferring Texas and Mandalay Bay and the Golden Nugget in Vegas to the rest of the world.

Plus there are no pesky extradition problems in Vegas.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...peaking-money/

War Crime is FUN and LUCRATIVE!

[SupremeGuy]

No one should be surprised, tbh. Other than the blind MSNBC sheep, you'll almost never hear anyone speak positively about Barry or his presidency.

[boutons_deux]

Actual quote from FDR's treasury secretary: "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!"

The reality is, FDR left office with average unemployment actually higher than it was the year before he took office, and the introduction of New Deal Part II actually made the unemployment rate skyrocket back up. He barely made a dent in the national debt, and the cost of doing business rose by 40%, which proved fatal for small businesses. Industrial production remained below 1929 levels. At the height of his anti-business zeal, FDR pretty much single-handedly halted expansion, equipment purchases and other private investment with the undistributed profits tax. The New Deal is one of the most overrated and overhyped crocks of bull in American history.

the VRWC has been trashing FDR for 80 years, and LBJ for 50 years. VRWC trashes any PROGRESS that doesn't involve enriching the VRWC.

[Nbadan]

I approve of the fact that George W Bush is no longer in office. I think most people do .