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    I've read up enough to know the issue isn't so black and white. His brain is wired to be a woman, I'm cool with calling him a woman. That's about it.
    Yeah first post was here, phone opened up to this page. You keep skirting the question. I understand his brain is wired to be a woman, but does that make him an actual woman?

    If we are to go by the standards you set earlier, you are being a bigot referring to Jenner as him. Insensitive bigot who also calls Jenner mentally ill

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    I've read up enough to know the issue isn't so black and white. His brain is wired to be a woman, I'm cool with calling him a woman. That's about it.
    People are wired all kinds of crazy but that doesn't mean it's ok. Some are wired to be attracted to little kid. Some to go around killing people. If your TV was wired wrong, you wouldn't sit there and leave it alone. You'd be telling your husband to call someone to come fix it.

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    You knew it was coming TBH...

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGr8XJyUcAAOxbE.jpg

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    People are wired all kinds of crazy but that doesn't mean it's ok. Some are wired to be attracted to little kid. Some to go around killing people.
    Oh because that's the same thing.

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    Yeah first post was here, phone opened up to this page. You keep skirting the question. I understand his brain is wired to be a woman, but does that make him an actual woman?

    If we are to go by the standards you set earlier, you are being a bigot referring to Jenner as him. Insensitive bigot who also calls Jenner mentally ill
    You want to put people into two categories of either black or white with no grey.

    What do you call a hermaphrodite? Male or female? Which bathroom do you point them to?

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    You want to put people into two categories of either black or white with no grey.

    What do you call a hermaphrodite? Male or female? Which bathroom do you point them to?
    Goalpost move, and still won't answer the question.

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    Goalpost move, and still won't answer the question.
    I've already answered now 3rd time?: If jenner identifies as a woman, she's a woman. It's not up to you or me to classify her any differently.

    What do you call a hermaphrodite? Male or female?

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    I've already answered now 3rd time?: If jenner identifies as a woman, she's a woman. It's not up to you or me to classify her any differently.

    What do you call a hermaphrodite? Male or female?
    Can a white man identify as black? Does his identification as black mean he should be treated as such? Could he benefit from affirmative action programs or MBE policies?

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    Sure, why not? Is that an issue of concern for you?

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    Sure, why not? Is that an issue of concern for you?
    Why do you think I take everything so personally - it's just a hypothetical.

    So you believe that a privileged white kid who attends a prestigious, predominately white/affluent private school, should be able to put down "African American" on his college application simply because he says "I'm black?"

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    I've already answered now 3rd time?: If jenner identifies as a woman, she's a woman. It's not up to you or me to classify her any differently.
    You can choose what gender you feel like, but that doesn't change your biological gender. Jenner will never menstruate or give birth no matter how much he identifies with a woman.

    Using your logic there are humans that we must call plants http://houseofchimeras.livejournal.com/128446.html and people we must call animals because of species dysphoria http://www.academia.edu/2903078/Furr...n y_disorder

    What do you call a hermaphrodite? Male or female?
    Neither. "Intersex, in humans and other animals, is a variation in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, or genitals that do not allow an individual to be distinctly identified as male or female"

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    Has she gotten ed yet?

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    Why do you think I take everything so personally - it's just a hypothetical.

    So you believe that a privileged white kid who attends a prestigious, predominately white/affluent private school, should be able to put down "African American" on his college application simply because he says "I'm black?"
    I'm just asking if it's a real issue.

    If he were to get some kind of grants or funding, I'd think he'd need to show something from ancestry.com that proves African American descent.

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    Funniest thing about this thread was how before I even opened it I knew it would be Blake and Chumpdumper white knighting for Caitlyn.

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    You can choose what gender you feel like, but that doesn't change your biological gender. Jenner will never menstruate or give birth no matter how much he identifies with a woman.

    Using your logic there are humans that we must call plants http://houseofchimeras.livejournal.com/128446.html and people we must call animals because of species dysphoria http://www.academia.edu/2903078/Furr...n y_disorder

    Neither. "Intersex, in humans and other animals, is a variation in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, or genitals that do not allow an individual to be distinctly identified as male or female"
    So what bathroom do they use? Male or female? Who decides?

    Plenty of women have never menstruated.

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    I'm just asking if it's a real issue.

    If he were to get some kind of grants or funding, I'd think he'd need to show something from ancestry.com that proves African American descent.
    And Caitlyn's birth certificate says.....

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    Funniest thing about this thread was how before I even opened it I knew it would be Blake and Chumpdumper white knighting for Caitlyn.

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    So what bathroom do they use? Male or female? Who decides?
    Never met nor followed one into the bathroom.

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    If he were to get some kind of grants or funding, I'd think he'd need to show something from ancestry.com that proves African American descent.
    Huh? You've repeatedly said that Bruce Jenner is a woman because he identifies as such. Why does a white kid who identifies as black have to get some third party proof he's black (the ancestry.com bit).

    Under your interpretation, we should treat the white kid as if he's black simply because he identifies as such.

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    And Caitlyn's birth certificate says.....
    Male.

    Does that mean all birth certificates are correct?

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    And Caitlyn's birth certificate says.....
    TSA

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    Can a white man identify as black? Does his identification as black mean he should be treated as such? Could he benefit from affirmative action programs or MBE policies?
    Pop culture answered this question 20 years ago.


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    Male.

    Does that mean all birth certificates are correct?
    Right, because ancestry.com is more reliable than a birth certificate ...

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    Huh? You've repeatedly said that Bruce Jenner is a woman because he identifies as such. Why does a white kid who identifies as black have to get some third party proof he's black (the ancestry.com bit).

    Under your interpretation, we should treat the white kid as if he's black simply because he identifies as such.
    Race =/= gender

    Let me know when that sinks in

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