OT: Top 20 teams of all time

[baseline bum]

Nothing says weak like losing in the first round with the same squad.

Which other "top 20 team" lost in the first round with same roster the next season?

Where do you think the 07 Suns would have stacked on that top 20 list if Nash hadn't flopped in Game 4?

[gnsf0946]

Why did they get bounced in the first round the next season? Did they lose a key player from the previous year?

I feel like they lost motivation (Pop ting the bed and Splitter being injured was also a part).

Motivation to me was always their biggest problem when it came to repeating.

[baseline bum]

Nothing says weak like losing in the first round with the same squad.

Which other "top 20 team" lost in the first round with same roster the next season?

1983 Sixers, to a 45 win Nets team son. And the Spurs lost to a 56 win Clippers team that had homecourt. So where do you think the 07 Suns would have stacked on that top 20 list if Nash hadn't flopped in Game 4?

[da_suns_fan]

I feel like they lost motivation (Pop ting the bed and Splitter being injured was also a part).

Motivation to me was always their biggest problem when it came to repeating.

If thats true, how "motivated" were the 14 Heat after winning two les and making their fourth straight trip to the Finals?

[gnsf0946]

If thats true, how "motivated" were the 14 Heat after winning two les and making their fourth straight trip to the Finals?

Bron was very motivated. Can't say about the rest of the team. 2014 Heat was pretty mediocre, got to the finals cause East Conference.

[baseline bum]

If thats true, how "motivated" were the 14 Heat after winning two les and making their fourth straight trip to the Finals?

1983 Sixers, to a 45 win Nets team son. And the Spurs lost to a 56 win Clippers team that had homecourt. So where do you think the 07 Suns would have stacked on that top 20 list if Nash hadn't flopped in Game 4?

[da_suns_fan]

1983 Sixers, to a 45 win Nets team son. And the Spurs lost to a 56 win Clippers team that had homecourt. So where do you think the 07 Suns would have stacked on that top 20 list if Nash hadn't flopped in Game 4?

The 01 Lakers followed up their championship by beating a 58 win Spurs and a 61 win Kings (whom had homecourt).

[baseline bum]

The 01 Lakers followed up their championship by beating a 58 win Spurs and a 61 win Kings (whom had homecourt).

So where do you think the 07 Suns would have stacked on that top 20 list if Nash hadn't flopped in Game 4? Also do the 1983 Sixers suck?

[da_suns_fan]

Bron was very motivated. Can't say about the rest of the team. 2014 Heat was pretty mediocre, got to the finals cause East Conference.

That sounds right.

[Malik Hairston]

A poster on RealGm calculated the offensive/defensive rating differential for the playoffs from 2015 to 2000 + the Dad Killer teams, decent list IMO, but like most of these lists, it doesn't factor the level of compe ion..

1. 2001 LAL +57.9
2. 1996 CHI +46.9
3. 1991 CHI +44.4
4. 2014 SAS +43.1
5. 2013 MIA +35.7
6. 1998 CHI +34.8
7. 1992 CHI +34.1
8. 2012 MIA +33.6
9. 1993 CHI +33.4
10. 2015 GSW +32.7
11. 2009 LAL +32.4
12. 2004 DET +31.6
13. 2011 DAL +29.5
14. 1997 CHI +27.2
15. 2003 SAS +24.4
16. 2008 BOS +24.2
17. 2005 SAS +21.3
18. 2007 SAS +21.0
19. 2002 LAL +20.6
20. 2006 MIA +17.4
21. 2000 LAL +12.7
22. 2010 LAL +8.3

98 Bulls were one of the worst le teams of my lifetime, though, based on compe ion..not surprised that the 2010 Lakers are last, too, based on both quality and compe ion..

[da_suns_fan]

So where do you think the 07 Suns would have stacked on that top 20 list if Nash hadn't flopped in Game 4? Also do the 1983 Sixers suck?

I guess we'll never know. Doesnt pay to flop, does it?

[baseline bum]

I guess we'll never know. Doesnt pay to flop, does it?

Also do the 1983 Sixers suck?

[da_suns_fan]

Also do the 1983 Sixers suck?

I dont know..but I hope you take comfort in the fact that the Spurs werent completely alone in their face-plant.

[baseline bum]

I dont know..but I hope you take comfort in the fact that the Spurs werent completely alone in their face-plant.

Don't puss out here son.

[da_suns_fan]

Don't puss out here son.

Are you suggesting the 82 Sixers were exposed the same way the Spurs were exposed? Who cares?

[baseline bum]

Are you suggesting the 82 Sixers were exposed the same way the Spurs were exposed? Who cares?

Are you saying the 83 Sixers weren't top 20? How about the 85 Lakers who lost 1-4 to a lousy 51 win Rockets team despite having homecourt and no injuries the next season?

[ambchang]

Why did they get bounced in the first round the next season? Did they lose a key player from the previous year?

Why are you changing your question?

[da_suns_fan]

Are you saying the 83 Sixers weren't top 20? How about the 85 Lakers who lost 1-4 to a lousy 51 win Rockets team despite having homecourt and no injuries the next season?

In the CONFERENCE finals. And to the eventual champions.

Your Spurs couldnt even make it to the second round. And lost to a team who lost to the champs.

Thus, they couldnt have been THAT good in 14, yes?

[Malik Hairston]

^^ That's a really strange argument, tbh..what's your theory as to why they fell off during the regular season? It wasn't exclusive to the playoffs, they struggled all year, there's a reason they were a 6 seed after having one of the most dominant playoff runs of all-time in 2014..

[apalisoc_9]

60's and 70's team making the list....

[da_suns_fan]

^^ That's a really strange argument, tbh..what's your theory as to why they fell off during the regular season? It wasn't exclusive to the playoffs, they struggled all year, there's a reason they were a 6 seed after having one of the most dominant playoff runs of all-time in 2014..

The level of compe ion was much higher this year. The Spurs are paper champs.

Right place, right time.

[apalisoc_9]

Some no name chinese team would probably win 90% of their games in the 70's and 100% of their games in the 60's...

[Malik Hairston]

2015 Champs' SRS compe ion:

2. Clippers 6.8
3. Spurs 6.3
4. Hawks 4.75(litany of injuries)
5. Blazers 4.4(lost Matthews)
6. Cavs 4.1(lost Irving and Love)
7. Rockets 3.8(lost Beverley and Montejunas)
8. Grizzlies 3.6(lost Conley for a chunk of games)


2014 SRS:

2. Clippers 7.3
3. Thunder 6.7(lost Ibaka for a chunk of games)
4. Warriors 5.2(lost Bogut)
5. Rockets 5.1
6. Blazers 4.4
7. Heat 4.2
8. Pacers 3.6

2014 was more compe ive, tbh, even excluding injuries..

[da_suns_fan]

The level of compe ion in this year's playoffs was probably the worst it has been in a long time, tbh..

Regular season is a strange argument, since it's well known that teams don't have time to game plan during the season..weird argument, so you're saying the entire league adjusted to Tony Parker and Ginobili in just a matter of months?

Then why did the Spurs get bounced in the first round? Their drop off was so sharp they went from "dominating" tough compe ion to getting smacked by weaker compe ion in one summer?

[namlook]

14 Spurs and 15 Warriors were a better team than the 01 Lakers? That's not even open for discussion. The 01 Lakers obliterated everyone in the playoffs and they were one play away from perfection The one game they lost was in OT.

The 72 Lakers won 69 games, 33 in a row, and a le obviously, and they are ranked 12th?