9 Killed in Black Church Shooting in South Carolina

[TheSanityAnnex]

dumb as sand, and twice as tone deaf, JimmyRicky s up

Rick Perry Says Obama Administration Always Overreacts To ‘Accidents’ Like Charleston Shooting

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...ston-shooting/

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249487

[TheSanityAnnex]

Frequent Fox guest: Whites might shoot up more black churches if Obama keeps calling them racist




http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/freq...e+Raw+Story%29

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249487

[Medvedenko]

Bottom line. It's not a warped sense of gun culture that's propagating these killings. It's the culture of HATE that America embraces. You take away guns, the hate doesn't go away, it's just a tool that is used to perpetuate the sense of en lement and lack of empathy for humanity. Racism, sexism, the way we talk about our sports teams on this board proves my point. You take that and add mental instability, you get incidents like this. It will never end. Guns or not.

[baseline bum]

Bottom line. It's not a warped sense of gun culture that's propagating these killings. It's the culture of HATE that America embraces. You take away guns, the hate doesn't go away, it's just a tool that is used to perpetuate the sense of en lement and lack of empathy for humanity. Racism, sexism, the way we talk about our sports teams on this board proves my point. You take that and add mental instability, you get incidents like this. It will never end. Guns or not.

Shut the up got

[Clipper Nation]

Bottom line. It's not a warped sense of gun culture that's propagating these killings. It's the culture of HATE that America embraces. You take away guns, the hate doesn't go away, it's just a tool that is used to perpetuate the sense of en lement and lack of empathy for humanity. Racism, sexism, the way we talk about our sports teams on this board proves my point. You take that and add mental instability, you get incidents like this. It will never end. Guns or not.

Your frosted tips need to be banned, tbh.

[m>s]

Shut the up got

Fight me communist

[baseline bum]

Fight me communist

[Infinite_limit]

Pathetic this kid didn't make a trip up to Baltimore or Ferguson. Would have been a hero.

Shooting up a building of prayer is lame and rather cowardly

[Medvedenko]

I take it my comment was telling and true.

[Blake]

Blake didn't answer this earlier & maybe you can because you have a similar opinion, but in a state like GA with these laws, are these shooting more common than in other states with stricter gun laws?

Also, even in GA with these gun laws, do these types of shootings outweigh other crimes/murders by non-guns? Just trying to assess whether the problem is gun law or racisim.

I'm not sure at all about stats but on face value, a required background check for all gun sales should be a no brainer.

[DPG21920]

I'm not sure at all about stats but on face value, a required background check for all gun sales should be a no brainer.

If these things are isolated (meaning gun deaths), it seems counterproductive to focus on gun laws when racism is the bigger issue.

[Aztecfan03]

Bottom line. It's not a warped sense of gun culture that's propagating these killings. It's the culture of HATE that America embraces. You take away guns, the hate doesn't go away, it's just a tool that is used to perpetuate the sense of en lement and lack of empathy for humanity. Racism, sexism, the way we talk about our sports teams on this board proves my point. You take that and add mental instability, you get incidents like this. It will never end. Guns or not.

agreed. But hate and racism going all directions not just white racism towards blacks as the left likes to believe.

[vy65]

Bottom line. It's not a warped sense of gun culture that's propagating these killings. It's the culture of HATE that America embraces. You take away guns, the hate doesn't go away, it's just a tool that is used to perpetuate the sense of en lement and lack of empathy for humanity. Racism, sexism, the way we talk about our sports teams on this board proves my point. You take that and add mental instability, you get incidents like this. It will never end. Guns or not.

#spurstalkpostsmatter

[Blake]

If these things are isolated (meaning gun deaths), it seems counterproductive to focus on gun laws when racism is the bigger issue.

I think it's productive enough to work on both issues.

but what do you propose be done about racism?

[DPG21920]

I think it's productive enough to work on both issues.

but what do you propose be done about racism?

Wasn't so much about "what can be done" - it's about not masking the real root cause.

[Blake]

Wasn't so much about "what can be done" - it's about not masking the real root cause.

well we all know racism exists. We can educate, make some hate crime laws and yeah I'm not sure there's much more.

so I'm good with focusing on how we can keep people like this from getting guns.

[DPG21920]

well we all know racism exists. We can educate, make some hate crime laws and yeah I'm not sure there's much more.

so I'm good with focusing on how we can keep people like this from getting guns.

Missing my point. Not trying to argue - just don't like seeing the real issue not discussed.

[Blake]

Missing my point. Not trying to argue - just don't like seeing the real issue not discussed.

Eh, if it wasn't racism, people would come up with some other reason to shoot each other, imo.

I think focusing on guns is more important imo

[Splits]

You can't legally buy a gun as a felon. And if he did in fact buy it from a gun store South Carolina dealers are required to do background checks so either the gun dealer committed a crime, the background check failed to show his felony (), or his father bought the gun and gifted to him.

http://smartgunlaws.org/background-c...outh-carolina/

Get your facts straight. He wasn't a felon. He was charged with a felony. It was pending, not convicted.

[vy65]

Get your facts straight. He wasn't a felon. He was charged with a felony. It was pending, not convicted.

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identif...ibited-persons

[Splits]

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identif...ibited-persons

Rick Perry Attorneys Ask Texas Appeals Court To Toss Felony Case

[vy65]

When was that picture taken dumbass?

[ElNono]

It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/identif...ibited-persons

Key word: "knowing or having reasonable cause to believe".

For completeness sake:

Section 3581. Sentence of imprisonment

(a) In General. - A defendant who has been found guilty of an
offense may be sentenced to a term of imprisonment.
(b) Authorized Terms. - The authorized terms of imprisonment are
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(1) for a Class A felony, the duration of the defendant's life
or any period of time;
(2) for a Class B felony, not more than twenty-five years;
(3) for a Class C felony, not more than twelve years;
(4) for a Class D felony, not more than six years;
(5) for a Class E felony, not more than three years;

[vy65]

^ agreed on the knowledge element. I really haven't read much about this, but I find it hard to believe that the dad didn't know his sons pending felony charge.

[Splits]

^ agreed on the knowledge element. I really haven't read much about this, but I find it hard to believe that the dad didn't know his sons pending felony charge.

Dad didn't give him a gun. He bought it at a gun shop. Get your facts straight.