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Oh so sad
No way thompson is above average. I would say curry is a better defender than thompson.
i think that LA will be a very good weak side defender. And we can tunnel much of the defense to Timmy and Kawhi. And by the way Shved does play the passing lanes fairly well.
Oh so sad
https://youtu.be/A8YXHyWp2b8
Tell me you wouldn't want this guy on your team if he had a corner 3? I'm starting to hope the Spurs trade down to the second round. Get a couple picks maybe on non-guaranteed deals at the minimum. Makes sense in keeping the cap clear too. They could wait to sign the picks after they take a shot at LA or Gasol.
I like the kid. I think he will be a better Danny green eventually. Once he gets his shot down. But he can finish at the rim and dribble. I wouldn't mind him or Vaughan at 26.
Minnesota 31 & 36
Philadelphia 35 & 37
Boston 33 & 45
If the Spurs trade down... teams to watch
I wonder if we could get one of those spots by trading cash considerations?
Yeah, no way the Warriors have good defensive players...
Is this real life?
I actually don't think the Splitter trade is that bad, but that's about the only thing to like.
Wow didn't say all that. I think draymond, bogut, and iggy are very good defenders. But come on with curry, thompson, and Barnes.
It's funny how done here make more of what is written. So many looking to get offended our think they know it all.
More than likely it would cost #26 and cash considerations but that's only if either of those teams think there is someone worth taking in the 1st round. I could see Philly maybe doing that or Boston but that's a long shot
I convinced palangi doesn't watch basketball.
Impressive.
Thompson is overrated by the national media but underrated on Spurstalk. He's a fine defender, just not as good as Green. More importantly, the Spurs in your scenario end up with only Duncan and Leonard as defensive players. You'll see Tim's numbers collapse without Tiago next to him or Green helping Leonard in front of him. Kawhi's supposed to get more offensive responsibility, but you force him to be the only plus defender on the perimeter. The Spurs drop 15 spots in defensive rankings after this trade, and their offense would only very mildly improve. Swapping out Green for Shved makes Kawhi the tertiary ball handler (of just the starting lineup) and the tertiary post option. How does that make any sense?
Well if kawhi wants to be a max player then he steps his game up? It's not like shved is the only one kawhi will play with. Manu still gets minutes. And Vaughan would as well.
Splitter and green are vastly overrated by this board. Green bombed out when he left us. Like I said in the initial post I see shved as a Manu to type player and in year two I see him with the second until helping the offense run and Vaughan getting into the starting line-up. But with Aldridge here Timmy can focus a lot more on defense. Aldridge takes a big scoring weight off Timmy shoulder. something splitter can't do.
Also like I have said I wouldn't mind tokoto either. And I think he could step in day one and help defensively. I also think shved would show more in the spurs defensive scheme style. Maybe not as lockdown as green for sure. But he also won't cost 10 million which I think is throwing money away on green.
Let's just go through this point by point:
Yeah, no. You don't take away a bunch of help from your young "star" and then tell him that he just needs to carry more. Not if you're trying to have a good team. It's frankly stupid to make Leonard the only competent defender on the perimeter. You'd think that your reference and defense of Golden State would mean you'd realize that.
All those are reasons why it's a BAD idea, not why it's a good one. At best, only Vaughn would be able to actually excel off the ball next to Leonard. Manu and Shved are ball-handlers, which means if they are playing the way they need to, then Kawhi isn't getting his touches. And if you go, "Well they can play off the ball then," it kinda defeats the purpose of downgrading defense and shooting for play-making.It's not like shved is the only one kawhi will play with. Manu still gets minutes. And Vaughan would as well.
Because you say so? There are just too many metrics to show that both are elite, and watching games should tell you that. But then again, you're lobbying for Shved, so I'm not surprised to feel that you're not really looking at things correctly.Splitter and green are vastly overrated by this board.
WTF?Green bombed out when he left us.
Shved ISN'T a Manu-type player. The dude's been in the league for a couple years already and has been mediocre on his good days. Banking on him being that guy is silly. Also him doing his thing in the SL actually hurts the team, not helps it. Parker will demand his touches; Aldridge will demand his. Kawhi should get his, and Tim will get his. Why do you want someone to "be Manu" with that lineup? I like Vaughn decently enough. I think he fits in well on the bench. But there's no particular reason why he's going to be this awesome starter in the league. Especially not after just a year.Like I said in the initial post I see shved as a Manu to type player and in year two I see him with the second until helping the offense run and Vaughan getting into the starting line-up.
Lol, it's not about Duncan's focus; he's literally just not a very good defender in space anymore. He isn't getting to his rotation spot if it's not 10 feet away or less. He's not hedging on PnRs. He's not recovering onto shooters. The only reason why this isn't obvious to the world is because playing with the Medium Three dramatically shrinks the area of the court he's responsible for. Tim's probably still the best defender in the league in a phone booth. The Spurs' current defensive personnel is what allows him to play that way.But with Aldridge here Timmy can focus a lot more on defense. Aldridge takes a big scoring weight off Timmy shoulder. something splitter can't do.
As far as offense goes, Kawhi should be taking those touches in addition to Aldridge. The Spurs only have to move/lose one of Splitter, Green, Mills or Diaw to afford Aldridge. You are trying to move the former two to bring back Tim and Manu. But especially bringing back Manu for anything other than the minimum will just kill the team's ability to field a championship-caliber roster using cap space. They'd be much better off using the MLE and trades to get a couple more rotation-caliber guys rather than trying for LMA.
Green and Leonard MAKE the Spurs' defensive scheme. They're the guys who allow the team to match up with any team. Green's worth his contract, especially considering he only counts for at most like $7 Million against the cap no matter how much he signs for. Shved getting even $4 Million a year only frees up $3 Million in space. Especially considering Manu would take up all that space on his own.Also like I have said I wouldn't mind tokoto either. And I think he could step in day one and help defensively. I also think shved would show more in the spurs defensive scheme style. Maybe not as lockdown as green for sure. But he also won't cost 10 million which I think is throwing money away on green.
I think you should step back, run the math on the roster you want and come back. It's not much cheaper than what's already here, and it's almost certainly not better. You're relying on a collection of rookies and middling players to equal what is a proven championship roster. Why? Why ANY of it? How are the Spurs even slightly better than they are now? How are they better in the foreseeable future, given that they only guys you have losing are player who are in their primes?
Can we trade Pop for a second round pick? Need to get rid of that arrogant old who so called a good coach...
He's . . .
Very . . .
Slow . . .
All opinion...all arguable back at you. Definitely not worth it. Thanks for playing though.
right, because tim was terrible defensively in this years POs
Yeah, no. It's not my opinion that Green DIDN'T suck when he left the Spurs. He hasn't left them (yet). It's also not my opinion that Green and Splitter put up elite defensive metrics. Is it my opinion that Shved's been a poor player in the NBA and that Vaughn and Tokoto haven't played a game in the league yet? Not really.
I'm not saying that what I am saying isn't arguable. You're the one going into a turtle because you don't want to defend your view. You want to sit back on your haunches and think your arguments are as good as everyone else's? Go ahead. But don't act butt-hurt just because someone took the time to explain to you in detail why they think you're wrong.
He didn't really guard anyone for the most part. Plus, last time I checked, the Medium Three played (though Splitter was at like 50 percent). Tim sure was awful defensively for most of the the championship run, though. Dallas straight destroyed him over and over.
Who, Amico? Because by all accounts, Nance Jr. is an above average athlete.
Nance makes Kyle Anderson look like Iverson.
He makes Chris Carrawell look like Archibald.
If he goes anywhere close to the first round, I pledge to forsake all my fanduel points (forever).
From his Draft Express profile, written two days ago...
From a physical perspective, it is easy to see why. Standing 6'9 with a 7'2 wingspan and a solid 227-pound frame, Nance has excellent size for the power forward position. He is also a very good athlete – quick, mobile, and explosive – and he wasted little time in regaining his reputation as one of the nation's top dunkers after tearing his ACL in February of 2014.
Not because he's irreplaceable, but how long do you think this Duncan window is gonna stay open? Will take some time to find someone that's gonna come in and play the same role as Danny on both ends.
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