Interstellar

[Pauly D]

How movies embraced Hinduism (without you even noticing)

Interstellar’s box office total is $622,932,412 and counting.

It is the eighth highest-grossing film of the year and has spawned an endless raft of thinkpieces testing the validity of its science and applauding the innovation of its philosophy.

But it is not so new.

The idea that propels the plot – there is a universal super-consciousness that transcends time and space, and in which all human life is connected – has been around for about 3,000 years.

It is Vedic.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/dec/25/movies-embraced-hinduism

ok thank you goodbye

[Fabbs]

Okay so in the end Cooper can only send the message to Murph because of the technology of the Tesseract, but the technology is only obtained by his message, so it's a chicken or the egg sort of paradox as to what came first. So there were two timelines. What we see in the movie are the events that happen in the second timeline. The first timeline takes place off screen.

First Timeline:

Much of what happens in the second timeline also happens in the first timeline. The wormhole opens. Mann, Brand and Cooper work on the Lazarus Project. Just as it happened in the second timeline, Brand and Cooper are in the same position after visiting Mann's ice planet, and so Cooper sacrifices himself in Gargantua so that Brand can escape to the desert planet to start the colony. Brand ins utes Plan B on the desert world. Those people go on to evolve into Humanity's future, with a stable Black Hole to guide their sciences. They evolve to work in the 5th dimension, and decide they want to save their ancestors. THEY find Cooper in Gargantua and create the Tesseract for him. Remember at the beginning of the movie where Cooper is dreaming about his doomed training mission that caused him to leave NASA? Well in the first timeline he never crashes. He never leaves NASA, thus he never gets married and starts a family. He goes on the Lazarus Project without any familial attachments. They initiate their original gravity burst to down Cooper's training flight for the original Lazarus mission. This leads Cooper to leave the program, marry someone, and have children. This change creates a second timeline, and creates Murph, key to their plan.

Second Timeline:

This is what we see in the movie. THEY cannot interact with Murph, because she did not exist in their original timeline, so they use Cooper in the Tesseract to communicate with her, via love and gravity. His purpose here is two-fold: to guide himself back to Lazarus after THEY diverted him and to bring Murph into Lazarus, to fulfill the promise of Brand's Plan A. The message with the coordinates leading to the secret NASA facility leads to Cooper rejoining Lazarus just as before and in the process it realigns his second timeline with his first. Once in the Tesseract again (or the same original time due to 5th dimension mechanics) he relays the TARS data to Murph and she makes Plan A a reality. Cooper Station lifts off as a sort of galactic Noah's Ark, and begins it's slow trek towards the Wormhole.

Cooper is released from the Tesseract, and recovered on Cooper Station just outside Saturn for a final reunion with Murph before she dies. He then leaves in a ship to rejoin Brand on the desert planet, knowing that because of time dilation not nearly as much time has passed for her locally. Cooper and Brand create the second age of Humanity, those that will become THEY as they wait for the survivors of Earth to reach them in their slow gravity ship that is Cooper Station.

Thank you. I will have to read it about 6 more times but seriously, thank you.

Q. When old geeze professor tells Cooper and company that mankind has a chance, was he flat out lying?
Or did he think the mission had a chance, even if it was a one in a bazillion chance?
If lying, was his motive good in that he was thinking, give the poor souls the idea that they have a chance?
Or was he an evil asshole. Were he and Matt Damons character in kahoots with their scamming?

Same q with Damon. What was his motive? Was he trying to wisk away with his old flame Hathaway and burn everyone else?

[Jacob1983]

Matt Damon's character brought the movie down big time. I said this before and I will say it again. He simply did not belong in this movie. He wasn't believable as a deranged astronaut bad guy. He came off as a pussy and bag.

The movie probably will win a couple of Oscars for the technical stuff and score but I doubt it will get nominated for Best Picture.

[Pauly D]

I agree. I really think that character would've been great with a talented unknown or at least a character actor. Also, tone down the big reveal that just jump started the distraction of seeing a superstar.

[Jacob1983]

Cillian Murphy would have been a far better choice in my opinion. He's also familiar with Nolan's way of directing and story telling. Matt Damon just seemed very out of place.

[Fabbs]

^^ Damon reminded me of

[Pauly D]

Just watched it for the 2nd time ever. Got a little drunk like a quarter of the way thru and not gonna lie, I was tearing up like a . Gut shot right to the feels. I don't know why I'm bumping this thread. Already spam texted friends with this same

[AlexJones]

Just watched it on Blu Ray as well. Better than Inception IMHO.. 4th best Nolan film behind Memento, Prestige and Dark Knight.

[Pauly D]

Dark Knight Rises < Inception << Memento << Batman Begins < Interstellar << Prestige < Dark Knight

The Prestige and Dark Knight are damn near perfect and the Dark Knight is an icon (or at least it'll be looked at as one years to come). Dark Knight Rises is like two huge plot holes away from being in my 3 spot tbh. All the potential in the world

[Strange Love]

This movie could have been much more than what it turned out to be.

Remove the daughter and this movie is something.

[Pauly D]

Waterworks multiple times.

>leaving Murph with that incredible score playing, he looks under the blanket as a last hope and she's not there

>seeing his kids for the first time in the vids and they're over 20 yrs older

>has to leave Murph again cause she has her own life and family that he was never a part of

Ok I'm going to bed

This movie could have been much more than what it turned out to be.

Remove the daughter and this movie is something.

Are you ing crazy? Literally half the story and the catalyst for all of McC's character's emotions? You wanna remove Michael from The Godfather too? Replace her with Matt Damon's character and you got a point

[Strange Love]

Are you ing crazy? Literally half the story and the catalyst for all of McC's character's emotions? You wanna remove Michael from The Godfather too? Replace her with Matt Damon's character and you got a point

That's exactly why.

This was fine as a stand alone space exploration without the daughter drama.

While you're at it, why even have the deadbeat brother in the first place? He was like a second citizen disregarded by his own father.

I thought the movie worked quite well with the space elements it had. I had problems with the story focusing so much on her.

I may give it another watch as I have only seem it just once so maybe I'll appreciate it more the second time.

[DMC]

Too many technical faux pas.

[StuartSmalley]

^^ Damon reminded me of

[Fabbs]

[Pauly D]

That's exactly why.

This was fine as a stand alone space exploration without the daughter drama.

While you're at it, why even have the deadbeat brother in the first place? He was like a second citizen disregarded by his own father.

I thought the movie worked quite well with the space elements it had. I had problems with the story focusing so much on her.

I may give it another watch as I have only seem it just once so maybe I'll appreciate it more the second time.

Completely agree on the brother. Without him their relationship would've made even more sense and none of the distraction while they're communicating at the end

Too many technical faux pas.

Like what?

[DMC]

Completely agree on the brother. Without him their relationship would've made even more sense and none of the distraction while they're communicating at the end



Like what?

Oh just little insignificant stuff, like needing booster rockets to leave Earth but being able to come and go from another Earth like gravity planet with merely a shuttle, paradoxical loops, binary codes in the bedroom caused by himself read by himself which sent himself to find himself. Telling himself to stay, but then putting the binary code there in the 1st place which is what sent him away anyhow. The future human race which shouldn't even be there because Matt changed the past to alter the future, but then the future was him altering the past. That's pretty stupid.

Matt Damon not just getting off the planet. He called those people back, ok duh I lied. Why does he have to kill anyone get get off the planet? Then, Matt Damon not understanding how airlocks work, manually stopping that big ass station with tiny boosters, getting in position in the 1st place, surviving a black hole, etc... stupidity ad nauseum... alright alright alright..

Black dude waiting 23 years for them to return, acting like they just went to the store when they do.

[Pauly D]

Oh just little insignificant stuff, like needing booster rockets to leave Earth but being able to come and go from another Earth like gravity planet with merely a shuttle

you're right, insignificant

paradoxical loops, binary codes in the bedroom caused by himself read by himself which sent himself to find himself. Telling himself to stay, but then putting the binary code there in the 1st place which is what sent him away anyhow. The future human race which shouldn't even be there because Matt changed the past to alter the future, but then the future was him altering the past. That's pretty stupid.

I would be on board if literally every movie that's ever had time travel didn't have these same dilemmas

Matt Damon not just getting off the planet. He called those people back, ok duh I lied.

I may actually be missing something here but how could he just leave and return to Earth with what he had?

Why does he have to kill anyone get get off the planet? Then, Matt Damon not understanding how airlocks work

he was hardly thinking clearly evident by his reluctant at ude while fighting and then his unwillingness to listen when trying to dock. I agree his character was an overall hindrance but to be fair he was no longer a brilliant, reasonable scientist that figures stuff out, he was a nut

manually stopping that big ass station with tiny boosters

in the vacuum of space is that not reasonable? Maybe it takes a bit longer than what they did?

getting in position in the 1st place

incredible job by an incredible pilot. Yeah, it was awesome

surviving a black hole

ok for s sake this is where everyone, even the cynics and critics, let science fiction be science fiction

Black dude waiting 23 years for them to return, acting like they just went to the store when they do.

so you know how people should react in that scenario? The only person you could compare his situation to in real life or fiction is Damon's character and he didn't even plan to wake back up

[Fabbs]

Black dude waiting 23 years for them to return, acting like they just went to the store when they do.

While my initial reaction at the instant they boarded the ship was like yours, I agree with Pauly D.
For me in the sense that, perhaps that was black dudes coping mechanism combined with his way of keeping up slim hope.
A lot of, i would say 99% of peeps would have a major difficult time.
Black guy chose to work out problems and after a while was so into it he became the emotion of figuring more or less emotionless mathematical time and space type stuff.

[DMC]

you're right, insignificant

Yes, if you're ignorant of physics.

I would be on board if literally every movie that's ever had time travel didn't have these same dilemmas

So Back to the Future and Interstellar are in the same genre.

I may actually be missing something here but how could he just leave and return to Earth with what he had?

He could leave with what they had. They were already down one body, he could have easily joined them on the ship and planned his return from there. No need to try to do the entire thing himself right away. Ill conceived by such a smart person with so much planning time.

he was hardly thinking clearly evident by his reluctant at ude while fighting and then his unwillingness to listen when trying to dock. I agree his character was an overall hindrance but to be fair he was no longer a brilliant, reasonable scientist that figures stuff out, he was a nut

Yet he was smart enough to send a lying signal, knew how to pilot the shuttle he'd never seen but couldn't remember how air locks work.

in the vacuum of space is that not reasonable? Maybe it takes a bit longer than what they did?

Has nothing to do with vacuum. It's about Newtonian physics. Large mass with inertia being stopped by tiny mass with tiny thrusters (relatively). To get something that big moving, you need boosters that a shuttle can't provide. Ergo to stop it you'd need the same thing. Eventually it would equilibrate, but not as quickly as they did it. Like Iron Man and the turbo fan... he cannot fly as fast as that fan moves and certainly can't change directions and maintain thrust vector.

incredible job by an incredible pilot. Yeah, it was awesome

If you're 14 years old and never took a single physic class.

ok for s sake this is where everyone, even the cynics and critics, let science fiction be science fiction

Yeah, suspension of disbelief is easy when you have no background in science that says "*coughbull cough*"

so you know how people should react in that scenario? The only person you could compare his situation to in real life or fiction is Damon's character and he didn't even plan to wake back up

23 years, you don't think you're ever seeing them again, ever. No one knows how it would feel or how you would act, but it doesn't feel like 23 years when he's like "oh hey, you were gone 23 years".

Honestly, how ing old are you?

[DMC]

While my initial reaction at the instant they boarded the ship was like yours, I agree with Pauly D.
For me in the sense that, perhaps that was black dudes coping mechanism combined with his way of keeping up slim hope.
A lot of, i would say 99% of peeps would have a major difficult time.
Black guy chose to work out problems and after a while was so into it he became the emotion of figuring more or less emotionless mathematical time and space type stuff.

Right. White man on planet for a relatively short time, tries to off himself. Black guy in nowhere space for 23 years is doing long math.

[Pauly D]

Holy , unless you're last name is Nolan this isn't worth it. I'm not gonna try to go back and forth with someone who has 30 posts/day. You win

[~O~]

I thought this thread was full of pettiness but I didn't think it was going to have needless race bating. Christ. I pity the fool. lol

Interstellar was an excellent presentation of what humans are capable of through innovation and sheer motivation pushed upon by one another.

The Science is hard for others to understand. Let us remind everyone that a movie has to have a script and you will inevitably hear something you've heard before. The science is difficult for others to understand (Maybe because they didn't try to look it up). Most of all, s who are so simpleminded, because "car go vrom vrom" is all they need to be entertained, completely outright trashed the movie.

I was anticipating this movie for a 3 months and avoided all trailers and media on it. The first time I saw it, I was blown away to the point where I sat through the credits and thought to myself "wow....what the actual just happened". Didn't understand the movie the first time but on the whole, it actually made sense to me.

The movie was inspiring overall. The level of tier of thought in this movie is heavily dependent on how much perspective and education the viewer had. Having watched do entaries on space exploration, time, gravity, orbits, relativity, exoplanets, black wholes, dark matter, the earths creation, and etc. for 4 years prior to this movie, its all I could ask for.

This is precisely why I don't see Dr. Mann (Matt Damon) as the bad guy. Humans have yet to overcome simple and they would essentially have to destroy whats left of them being human for a mission like interstellar to happen, thus Dr. Brand.

[Fabbs]

Could someone dumb it down for me.
What exactly did Dr. Mann Matt Damon do, and why did he do it?
They wake him up, he schemes to kill them all and ????
He was gonna run off in his shuttlecraft alone and ???

I know he had the hots for Big Toothed gal.
Was he hoping to run off with her and all the frozen sperm and eggs and start a new colony?

[cantthinkofanything]

Could someone dumb it down for me.
What exactly did Dr. Mann Matt Damon do, and why did he do it?
They wake him up, he schemes to kill them all and ????
He was gonna run off in his shuttlecraft alone and ???

I know he had the hots for Big Toothed gal.
Was he hoping to run off with her and all the frozen sperm and eggs and start a new colony?

Matt Damon played the scientist that first fell into the wormhole when he was on a NASA ship. The wormhole took him to an ice planet where time had stopped or moved very slow so he didn't age much.
He has gone crazy due to the amount of time he has lived and just isn't rational.
He was trying to find the wormhole again in shuttle and go back to the time that he first left.

No, he didn't have the hots for the girl. That was the other dude that died on the ocean planet and then reappeared in the tesseract.