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    You and I probably just have a philosophical difference of opinion. In my mind, I see Kaminsky as a guy that showed up to Wisconsin and was a below average athlete with below average skill. He left Wisconsin as the focal point for the offense...a below average athlete with above average skill. You know by his results that he wants to be a great player, and though his athleticism will limit his ceiling you don't question his desire to improve.

    WCS on the other hand, came to Kentucky as an above average athlete with below average skill. He never developed into a go-to player and left Kentucky much the same as he came in. While he still has considerable upside and better physical tools, you have to question whether he'll come close to reaching that potential.

    Again, philosophical difference...but I pick the lower upside guy who has demonstrated growth and a desire to be better.
    Completely get what you're saying. My thing is if the end game is LMA then you need a defensive big who is athletic.

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    What are your thoughts on Payne? Seems like everything we need from a PG stand point.
    Best pure PG in the draft given his present skill set and size/length. My question is whether he can play spot minutes at the 2 alongside Parker, because I don't know how much value he has strictly as Parker's backup. Given Parker's contract and stated desire to play 5-6 more years, there are probably other more pressing needs.

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    Completely get what you're saying. My thing is if the end game is LMA then you need a defensive big who is athletic.
    In terms of roster fit, I totally get that.

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    I wanted 15 for Splitter straight up. Maybe Mills to them as well if they also sent back Tavarres. For OKC, I'd do Splitter and 26 for 14 and Jones.
    Sounds like a good deal if the Spurs are making a play for LMA.

    Okc is in a tough spot since they have limited roster slots to resign all of the guys they just acquired, namely kantar. I can see their interest in stashing a late 1st rounder.

    Edit: looks like they just shipped Lamb to Charlotte and therefore have a roster slot. Wonder if Mills + 26 for 14 would work?

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    Best pure PG in the draft given his present skill set and size/length. My question is whether he can play spot minutes at the 2 alongside Parker, because I don't know how much value he has strictly as Parker's backup. Given Parker's contract and stated desire to play 5-6 more years, there are probably other more pressing needs.
    Parker isn't playing 5-6 more years with this team. If this guy is talented he could be needed this year instead of Parker come playoff time and in the regular season Parker shouldn't be getting over 30mpg. Someone needs to take over Manu's responsibilities on the bench and Patty can't do it. Parker's contract makes it important to obtain a talented pg on a rookie contract.

    If Spurs trade up to the 14 range I think they pick payne.

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    Generally speaking, I'm excited for tomorrow. Not only does it look like the Spurs are actively exploring their options, it also appears there could be some impact players chosen this year. If they come away with two picks that are both draft-n-stash, I'll be surprised...and honestly a little disappointed. Hoping for more this year.

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    Parker isn't playing 5-6 more years with this team. If this guy is talented he could be needed this year instead of Parker come playoff time and in the regular season Parker shouldn't be getting over 30mpg. Someone needs to take over Manu's responsibilities on the bench and Patty can't do it. Parker's contract makes it important to obtain a talented pg on a rookie contract.

    If Spurs trade up to the 14 range I think they pick payne.
    Mills did it two years ago, and the Spurs still may re-sign CoJo to fill time. Parker may also have a better offseason and come into the year more prepared for the grind. My point is, there are options at PG. Payne would be really nice, but I don't think he's the slam dunk pick at #14 if that's the trade up spot.

    Also as I understand it, the Thunder are very high on Payne. I could be wrong, but I think an OKC trade scenario is contingent on Payne being selected prior to OKC. In that case it would be a moot point.

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    If the Spurs want to get into the the lower part of the lottery for a specific player then they should trade Splitter to the Bucks for pick 17 and send that and our 26th pick to which ever team wants multiple pieces without much movement. If Bucks are aiming for a nice versatile defensive lineup they should really value Splitter now that Sanders is gone.

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    If the Spurs can get their hands on any of the picks from 17 to 20, do you think they go with Justin Anderson, and let Green walk? I hope not.


    Maybe they trade Splitter and the 26th for the 17th, and Tyler Ennis. However, that would leave Milwaukee with 11m to work with unless they exercise that early termination option on Jared Dudley, but I don't know how that works, or if that would open up the 4m he was owed. Anyways, that's 15m in cap space for the Bucks after absorbing Splitter's contract, and that's just enough to re-sign Middleton. I can't see them viewing an offseason where their biggest splash was acquiring Splitter as a good one, but they may just be looking to greener pastures with a healthy Parker up and running. Can't argue with the fact that Splitter is better than Miles Plumlee, Zaza Pachulia, or a young Damien Inglis. Also, like Nathan89 said, the Bucks value defense above all, and Splitter provides defense, along with much needed court vision on that young team. Ennis looks to become a promising back-up point guard as well, so wouldn't be surprised if Bucks explored other avenues.

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    NBA Tv goes to commercial before the Spurs pick ... even in the mock draft!

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    NBA Tv goes to commercial before the Spurs pick ... even in the mock draft!

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    NBA Tv goes to commercial before the Spurs pick ... even in the mock draft!

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    NBA Tv goes to commercial before the Spurs pick ... even in the mock draft!
    They had the Spurs picking Montrezl Harrell for what it's worth . . .

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    Same here, the majority of the euros that draft and stash never come over
    That probably has more to do with:
    1. Our drafting situation over the years is so low that getting anyone of any use is problematical and we'd have to pay an American player, while foreign players can be stashed without any payment. It's a clever move to save cash while hoping against hope that one of these guys will develop into the next Manu or Parker.
    2. The percentage of players drafted at 20th and lower who ever have careers in the NBA is very low because their talent at that draft level is very low. We've seen a lot of American players that the SPurs drafted who didn't measure up and cost us rookie salaries for nothing. See draft and stash to save cash above.
    3. Some foreign players we have drafted have come over and played in the NBA--Scola and Mahinmi come to mind--although not as great players for the Spurs.
    4. Others, like Javtokas and Bertans have been injured and not come over because of it. (Is it Bertans I'm thinking of?) And that Georgian SF. Some injuries are permanently limiting when they persist and come up against NBA talent.
    5. And others simply didn't have the right stuff to make it with the Spurs or wanted to stay in their home countries and be a big frog in a small pond.

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    That probably has more to do with:
    1. Our drafting situation over the years is so low that getting anyone of any use is problematical and we'd have to pay an American player, while foreign players can be stashed without any payment. It's a clever move to save cash while hoping against hope that one of these guys will develop into the next Manu or Parker.
    2. The percentage of players drafted at 20th and lower who ever have careers in the NBA is very low because their talent at that draft level is very low. We've seen a lot of American players that the SPurs drafted who didn't measure up and cost us rookie salaries for nothing. See draft and stash to save cash above.
    3. Some foreign players we have drafted have come over and played in the NBA--Scola and Mahinmi come to mind--although not as great players for the Spurs.
    4. Others, like Javtokas and Bertans have been injured and not come over because of it. (Is it Bertans I'm thinking of?) And that Georgian SF. Some injuries are permanently limiting when they persist and come up against NBA talent.
    5. And others simply didn't have the right stuff to make it with the Spurs or wanted to stay in their home countries and be a big frog in a small pond.

    It seems as if they are just afterthoughts with no real scream for potential so why not trade them for something if we are going to pick up fodder? I understand that being drafted so low doesn't usually yield positive results but they're not drafting freak athletes who will grow into their bodies or have huge upside if they can learn to shoot and use fundementals. They get middle of the road guys who have a 20% chance of succeeding.

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    It seems as if they are just afterthoughts with no real scream for potential so why not trade them for something if we are going to pick up fodder? I understand that being drafted so low doesn't usually yield positive results but they're not drafting freak athletes who will grow into their bodies or have huge upside if they can learn to shoot and use fundementals. They get middle of the road guys who have a 20% chance of succeeding.
    This is just wrong. Those Euro players are fine. With low first round picks who would have been better? Hindsight is great is all but I think you really overrated non lottery draft talent

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    Could push him farther down. And we wouldn't need him to start the season, since we would presumably have Duncan to man the 5.



    I doubt the Spurs can even trade up that far, but if they did, I doubt they'd draft a guy who recently legally changed his name to "Willy Trill"

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    I doubt the Spurs can even trade up that far, but if they did, I doubt they'd draft a guy who recently legally changed his name to "Willy Trill"

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    I don't see any team trading a borderline lottery pick for a 30-year old, injury prone Tiago Splitter who's still owed $17 Million over the next 2 seasons. They can get a younger, healthier, and cheaper option with that pick.

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    I don't see any team trading a borderline lottery pick for a 30-year old, injury prone Tiago Splitter who's still owed $17 Million over the next 2 seasons. They can get a younger, healthier, and cheaper option with that pick.
    Right. A team in the hunt for a le goes for a skilled 30 year old. A lottery team drafts young and hopes to develop a star. Splitter is a late lottery or top 20 first rounder type of trade.

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    I don't see any team trading a borderline lottery pick for a 30-year old, injury prone Tiago Splitter who's still owed $17 Million over the next 2 seasons. They can get a younger, healthier, and cheaper option with that pick.
    I have no idea why people say that like it's a bad thing. Do you know how much Koufos and Lopez are going to cost? More than that. Mozgov and Whiteside are probably going to cost twice that much in 2016.

    There's that stupid rumor that the Celtics are dreaming of a Love-Lopez front court. But if they can secure Splitter for just 28 and/or 34 using their Rondo TPE, it will be much easier for them to get the space to use on Love.

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    I don't see any team trading a borderline lottery pick for a 30-year old, injury prone Tiago Splitter who's still owed $17 Million over the next 2 seasons. They can get a younger, healthier, and cheaper option with that pick.
    Splitter has very good deal, he`s a good player. Future 1st rounder + Tiago is as valueable as lottery pick. All stars nowadays are looking for good players that are already on the team. Tiago is good player with good deal. He isnt cancer, he works on defense and always defend best big on the floor.

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    Tiago's contract was front loaded. His cost is relatively cheap for his position and is one of the factors that make him valuable as a trade asset.

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    I have no idea why people say that like it's a bad thing. Do you know how much Koufos and Lopez are going to cost? More than that. Mozgov and Whiteside are probably going to cost twice that much in 2016.

    There's that stupid rumor that the Celtics are dreaming of a Love-Lopez front court. But if they can secure Splitter for just 28 and/or 34 using their Rondo TPE, it will be much easier for them to get the space to use on Love.
    Lopez makes Splitter look like an iron man.

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    I doubt the Spurs can even trade up that far, but if they did, I doubt they'd draft a guy who recently legally changed his name to "Willy Trill"
    Dennis Rodman 2.0?

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