Tough Day for the Confederate Flag

[cd021]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...d8a_story.html

V.A. governor removing the Confederate Flag from license plates.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...d8a_story.html

V.A. governor removing the Confederate Flag from license plates.

Flag mfrs now stopping making Confederate flags. Quite an amazing HERD reaction (it's probably a painless, tiny fraction of any business' revenue, made in China anyway).

I'd also like to see ALL retailers to stop selling cigarettes, cigars, and chaw. That would keep the US/UK tobacco mfrs' for-profit slaughter off-shored to other countries, leaving USA to pay for many 100Ks of lung cancer victims for decades to come. The $Bs in costs of lung cancer victims is an "external cost" excluded from tobacco mfrs profits.

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Van de Putte Company Dropping Confederate Flags


https://www.texastribune.org/2015/06...ederate-flags/

[spurraider21]

i dont get why they're putting up so much of a fight about it?

its a part of our history!

which part? the part where you seceded from the union for reasons including your desire to own human beings as property? or the part where you got your ass kicked, towns burned to the ground, and forced to undergo reconstruction?

[RandomGuy]

The fact that it hangs in the state capital is pretty remarkable. The confederate flag debate is actually along racial party lines. so it can be considered a microcosm of the race conversation. White Democrats and blacks view race much differently than white conservations who tend to highly skeptical if not downright dismissive on most issues where race may have been a factor.

Before the shooting only 31% of people thought that the flag represented racism. After its up to 64% with 21% in favor of the flag and 15% unsure.

Just getting people on the same page with the flag is a small victory. It clearly represents hate. The whole heritage not hate argument is one of the all-time great bull statements.

The flag was used quite often by the KKK and is still used today in their rally's. People were lynched, beaten or otherwise terrorized and intimated under that flags heritage. Thats not to mention it was the symbol for the traitors who broke off from the union and fought to keep slavery intact.

Pretty much.

It takes a real grade-A idiot to not understand how offensive it is, and some outright liars to claim it is just about heritage.

It was about white ownership of africans. That was what they were fighting for, and the actions of white southerners for 100+ years after their monstrous country was rightfully smashed provides all the evidence anyone should need to reach that conclusion.

[RandomGuy]

Van de Putte Company Dropping Confederate Flags


https://www.texastribune.org/2015/06...ederate-flags/

Heard that on TPR. Their distributors stopped carrying them.

Where are we going to get the flags to burn then? (one of the guys TPR interviewed was buying them for that very reason)

[spurraider21]

The fact that it hangs in the state capital is pretty remarkable. The confederate flag debate is actually along racial party lines. so it can be considered a microcosm of the race conversation. White Democrats and blacks view race much differently than white conservations who tend to highly skeptical if not downright dismissive on most issues where race may have been a factor.

Before the shooting only 31% of people thought that the flag represented racism. After its up to 64% with 21% in favor of the flag and 15% unsure.

Just getting people on the same page with the flag is a small victory. It clearly represents hate. The whole heritage not hate argument is one of the all-time great bull statements.

The flag was used quite often by the KKK and is still used today in their rally's. People were lynched, beaten or otherwise terrorized and intimated under that flags heritage. Thats not to mention it was the symbol for the traitors who broke off from the union and fought to keep slavery intact.

while i whole-heartedly agree that the flag has to go, i find that specific (bolded) reasoning to be laughable. if the KKK also drank a lot of coca-cola, would that make drinking coke offensive?

[baseline bum]

Pretty much.

It takes a real grade-A idiot to not understand how offensive it is, and some outright liars to claim it is just about heritage.

It was about white ownership of africans. That was what they were fighting for, and the actions of white southerners for 100+ years after their monstrous country was rightfully smashed provides all the evidence anyone should need to reach that conclusion.

It was about state's rights to own and rape niggers

[Nbadan]

It was about state's rights...to own slaves....

[admiralsnackbar]

while i whole-heartedly agree that the flag has to go, i find that specific (bolded) reasoning to be laughable. if the KKK also drank a lot of coca-cola, would that make drinking coke offensive?

Based on that snippet, I'd totally agree with you, but it's the writer's fault for not being clearer. The Stars and Bars were practically forgotten until the 40's, when Dixiecrats (spearheaded by the KKK) started flying those colors to promote an anti-integration agenda. https://books.google.com/books?id=zs...20flag&f=false

[Nbadan]

[z0sa]

The Confederate flag is a symbol of a racism, agreed, but Southerners, like basically everyone, want their own "special" heritage to "celebrate." History, , the PRESENT is rife with examples of this. The battle flag as a source of pride in modern times is especially acute because of its representation of a "successful" period of rebellion from the most powerful nation on earth. It's really requires a sense of human perceptions as to why a lot of people in the South don't have a problem/are indifferent to it. I daresay the vast majority of the people who fly it/use it as a representation of the South or their beliefs would gladly have died for those 9 black lives if it meant killing the Dylann Roof, regardless of what "flag" or heritage they shared with him.

Likewise, I think the vast majority of people who "rally" behind the Confederate flag, if given the choice, would throw it away in favor of the 50 stars and stripes. People taking this too seriously, if you ask me. It's just a means of having pride in your locality for the most part. I don't fly it or hang with the type of people who do, but I am for the most part, indifferent to it. It's not like we'll ever have another civil war.

[cd021]

while i whole-heartedly agree that the flag has to go, i find that specific (bolded) reasoning to be laughable. if the KKK also drank a lot of coca-cola, would that make drinking coke offensive?

The KKK used the flag at the high of terror they were lynching people. The comparison is in of itself laughable. The flag has always stood for hatred, so the KKK part is certainly relevant. a few morons can't say the flag is all about "heritage not hate" change what the flag symbolizes.

People have long been denial about what its represented. How can people be up in arms about the KKK in their towns and proudly wear a symbol which they've long used?

[cd021]

Based on that snippet, I'd totally agree with you, but it's the writer's fault for not being clearer. The Stars and Bars were practically forgotten until the 40's, when Dixiecrats (spearheaded by the KKK) started flying those colors to promote an anti-integration agenda. https://books.google.com/books?id=zs...20flag&f=false

His comparison makes it sound like the KKK endorsed the flag which in turn made the flag about hatred. Its always stood for hatred. They essentially picked up the ball and carried it much farther, with lynching, beatings and church burnings among other terrible acts.

According to you they've been using it for around 75 years. People can't get up in arms about the Klan and then proudly fly a flag in which they and the confederacy used to symbolize hatred and superiority over other races, while claiming its all about heritage. The heritage of the flag is hate.

[admiralsnackbar]

His comparison makes it sound like the KKK endorsed the flag which in turn made the flag about hatred. Its always stood for hatred. They essentially picked up the ball and carried it much farther, with lynching, beatings and church burnings among other terrible acts. According to you they've been using it for around 75 years. People can't get up in arms about the Klan and then proudly fly a flag in which they and the confederacy used to symbolize hatred and superiority over other races, while claiming its all about heritage. The heritage of the flag is hate.

Don't dispute anything you've said -- the flag is inextricably tied to racism. I only meant to call attention to the fact that the flag was only resurrected politically in the 40's. Prior to that, it was not a widespread symbol of "Southern heritage."

[TheSanityAnnex]

The Confederate flag is a symbol of a racism, agreed, but Southerners, like basically everyone, want their own "special" heritage to "celebrate." History, , the PRESENT is rife with examples of this. The battle flag as a source of pride in modern times is especially acute because of its representation of a "successful" period of rebellion from the most powerful nation on earth. It's really requires a sense of human perceptions as to why a lot of people in the South don't have a problem/are indifferent to it. I daresay the vast majority of the people who fly it/use it as a representation of the South or their beliefs would gladly have died for those 9 black lives if it meant killing the Dylann Roof, regardless of what "flag" or heritage they shared with him.

Likewise, I think the vast majority of people who "rally" behind the Confederate flag, if given the choice, would throw it away in favor of the 50 stars and stripes. People taking this too seriously, if you ask me. It's just a means of having pride in your locality for the most part. I don't fly it or hang with the type of people who do, but I am for the most part, indifferent to it. It's not like we'll ever have another civil war.

This guy gets it. It's a ing flag.


Also, this same racist asshole had pictures burning the Stars and Stripes and standing on our flag, yet....racist patriot??? Pick a ing lane.

And if racism is still alive and well why not bring down the ol' Stars and Stripes? Nothing's changed amirite.

[baseline bum]

It was about state's rights...to own slaves....

and rape them

[Infinite_limit]

Does anyone dispute that the South's Glory Days were during Slavery? And the region hasn't recovered since

If I was a non-cuckolding Southern I would fly the flag proudly.

[Nbadan]

but Southerners, like basically everyone, want their own "special" heritage to "celebrate."

There are symbols of southern, even TX history that haven't been co-opted by racists groups like the Confederate flag....



I don't think hardly anyone finds this offensive...

[Nbadan]

Seems we got it all wrong....slaves were just specialists brought here to teach Euros how to grown corn......truly the first HB-1 visa

Due to the omission of this crop in their European culture, English colonists who settled the rich North American land lacked the expertise required for the production of rice. Thus, the huge task of cultivating, processing, and packaging rice on South Carolina Plantations was commonly assigned to slaves. This task, though foreign to European colonists, proved to be quite common to the slaves who had been purposely imported from the rice growing region of West Africa. Where many English planters had failed in their previous attempts at growing and processing rice, the knowledge and rice-growing skills possessed by West Africans gave them a newfound success at cultivating the crop.”"

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2...outh-carolina/

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"brought here to teach Euros how to grown corn"

no corn in Africa. It's a New World food, along with potatoes, tomatoes.

[Bender]

now former san antonio mayor, Castro, wants to re-name Lee High School. Don't politicians have anything better to do?

http://www.kens5.com/story/news/2015...stro/29238223/

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Jon Stewart Offers The South A New Symbol To Replace The Confederate Flag


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7660258.html

[fmedrano1977]

So when do we start banning white sheets?

[Trill Clinton]

i agree with my favorite rapper. if those slack jawed geeks want to fly their flags, they can, but don't fly it above state or federal buildings. i don't know why this is an issue for those who want to keep the flag anyway, its just a flag...

Killer Mike on Confederate Flag: "You Do Not Fly the Flag of Losers Over the Winners' Country"

He's fine with individuals using the flag, just not government ins utions


Killer Mike has spoken out about the Confederate flag, which has been the subject of intense debate over the last week. Following the shootings in Charleston, South Carolina, several states that fly the Confederate flag in some official capacity have pledged to either take it down, or open a legislative discussion about doing so.

In a new piece on The Fader, Killer Mike said he doesn't begrudge any individual who wears the flag, but that it should be removed from government property. "That side lost, and you do not fly the flags of losers over the winners' country," he said. "It's just that simple. There's no way around that."
He continued:

If your great great grandfather participated on the Confederate side and you hold some sentimental value to that, and you want to fly the flag and hang their picture up in your home, that's fine. But it should not be on anything that taxpayers pay for, because taxpayers are a part of the Union not the Confederacy. It has no place in the building, no place on the building, no place around the building.

He talked about growing up in the South, where the flag is commonplace:

Many of my neighbors have them. As a Southerner, I understand how it represents our heritage and lives lost in that war. I'll give you that at the negotiation table. But my firm stance is that any group of traitors, anyone who tried to break up this country, deserves no honor once they've lost.
Did the people who lost that war profit from slavery? Yes! Has that symbol been used by stupid, dumb redneck racists? Yes. Has it been used by neo-Nazis? Yes. Has it been used as a way to intimidate black people? Yes, absolutely. As a child, the Confederate flag was explained to me as a flag of racism, that there are often men who will use that flag to try to terrorize black people.

Mike also stressed that his objections to the flag don't have to do with his feelings:

My primary objection to it is firmly grounded in a political argument, not an emotional one. It's less to do about me—"Hey, I'm black and it hurts my feelings, it's a symbol of slavery and oppression"—and more to do with the fact that, as an American, I will not honor a group of treacherous traitors. That's why I despise the rebel flag. Long live the South, and quickly die the Confederacy.

Read the whole piece here.