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    Texas Christian University teaches about "god Krishna"
    fine

    Its not a science class so good for TCU.

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    Start with Chump and Spuraider




    What question am I asking?

    How species came to be and your answer is poof.





    Elements from where?
    Energy E = mc^2 Define m please.

    And we have no idea how the energy got there in the first place which of course as you know is NOT anything that refutes evolution. Again, this is beyond the boundaries of what we can know from science and it's honest. You should try being honest. It's easier than lies.


    says who?

    Scientist who work with the formation of solar systems and the wavelengths of energy they give off. We have been to the moon and Mars, we have sampled the elements and compounds confirming much of what we already knew BEFORE we ever visited. Surprises came in % abundance and locations where certain compounds were found. How did we know Pluto was present long before it was actually ever seen? How did we know exactly where to look after telescopes got powerful enough? Have you ever seen wind, how you know it's there? These are all the same type of example, let's see if you can finally digest the obvious.




    But do you get a human fetus? And how do you get all the material needed from the big bang.

    Energy, and this has absolutely nothing to do with getting a fetus using magic.




    Yes skip over the how you got them.

    From the compounds of the early earth which are put under conditions we think were present, + lightning, heat
    We find organic molecules can be made from water, CO2, NH3, none of which is organic. Sugars, nitrogenous bases, etc.. Can be produced from simple inorganic compounds.





    The stop acting like you know everything. Science has no clue and they never will as long as they ignore design.

    Science does not deal with design because design requires the super natural, something you have a profound inability to get thru your thick skull that was once dead but arose again. And I don't know everything and science will never prove everything.




    I have Ideas also lets stick with facts.

    The facts are we have plenty of mechanisms to explain how cells might have arisen. But this is a tough one as the inner structures of early cells don't fossilize well. This is also called honesty. Foreign idea for you, but it should be sampled.


    Not really you have not shown any proof my ancestor was a snail.

    Yes. This is the stupid question you keep asking. Since I will presume you are human, are we in anyway related? Or did you just magically stork it, while my dad diddled my mom?
    Now back to ignore.
    I tire of filleting rodents.

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    fine, what are some facts that back up AD? use your own words-
    DNA has an internal mechanism designed with interlocking parts that work together and is able to repair itself, I'm sorry but that doesn't come about from a random explosion of nothing.

    The universe is designed so that the planet's and stars just happen to be spaced apart just right by chance?

    The earth just happens to have water air and plant life animals and humans by chance?

    How strong is that bud your smoking?




    why would anybody try to prove a point that they never made? nobody here is claiming your ancestor was a snail
    If you support Science and evolution you support the big bang and that means all life emerged from warm pools of liquid that includes the snails.

    why must you keep asking the same questions I already answered this before
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    Texas Christian University teaches about "god Krishna"
    Lol you think they teach that as fact like they do evolution?

    Damn you're stupid. Really really stupid.

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    DNA has an internal mechanism designed with interlocking parts that work together and is able to repair itself, I'm sorry but that doesn't come about from a random explosion of nothing.

    The universe is designed so that the planet's and stars just happen to be spaced apart just right by chance?

    The earth just happens to have water air and plant life animals and humans by chance?

    How strong is that bud yoir smoking?
    None of that is "proof" of design. All you proved is that things are complex. AD is just your idea of how to explain it. There is no hard evidence of design.






    If you support Science and evolution you support the big bang and that means all life emerged from warm pools of liquid that includes the snails.

    why must you keep asking the same questions I already answered this before
    A) big bang and evolution of life on earth are two different theories that aren't mutually exclusive
    B) nobody here ever claimed humans evolved from snails. If you keep insisting that, you're just continuing to prove you are clueless about what evolution is. And if you don't even understand what evolution is, then you are dismissing something you dont even comprehend.

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    None of that is "proof" of design. All you proved is that things are complex. AD is just your idea of how to explain it. There is no hard evidence of design.
    Your so right its so random its almost like going to Vegas and getting 1 million royal flushes in a roll I can see it happening I'm convinced thanks.







    A) big bang and evolution of life on earth are two different theories that aren't mutually exclusive
    So which one do you not support.


    B) nobody here ever claimed humans evolved from snails

    Are you actually going to make me post it again? Are you really that thick or just doing a poor job trolling?




    If you keep insisting that, you're just continuing to prove you are clueless about what evolution is.
    Ok then you tell us all how life came about start with the big bang.



    And if you don't even understand what evolution is, then you are dismissing something you dont even comprehend.
    I know that you and your Darwin fan club want to skip over how life started, DNA, the Big Bang,The Fibonacci Sequence,Golden Ratio,and other topics that prove design well go right ahead I'll pass on debating with you any further.


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    Your so right its so random its almost like going to Vegas and getting 1 million royal flushes in a roll I can see it happening I'm convinced thanks.
    never said it was probable. but again, that wouldn't be hard evidence of a creator.

    plus, even if there was a god, that doesn't rule out evolution at all.


    So which one do you not support.
    never said i dont support either one. they're different discussions. this thread is about evolution, not the big bang. i also believe in the theory of quantum mechanics. and many other theories. but we are discussing one specific theory in this thread, evolution. the rest aren't relevant


    Are you actually going to make me post it again? Are you really that thick or just doing a poor job trolling?
    you can post whatever you want as many times as you want. nobody here is claiming snails are human ancestors.


    Ok then you tell us all how life came about start with the big bang.
    the big bang and evolution are different discussions. this is a thread about evolution, not about abiogenesis or the big bang. you can start a thread about the big bang, or a thread about abiogenesis. i dont want to mix different conversations up


    I know that you and your Darwin fan club want to skip over how life started, DNA, the Big Bang,The Fibonacci Sequence,Golden Ratio,and other topics that prove design well go right ahead I'll pass on debating with you any further.

    i've never ignored any of these. i dont see how they prove design, though.

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    Knock it off before I post the banana video.


    Seriously.. that was good.

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    Science is built to adapt itself to evidence, not the other way around. That's what makes it useful.


    That is why the earth goes around the sun, and not the other way around.

    Unless, of course, you want to be a good christian... then you have to have a debate about it, in which geocentrism is treated with seriousness. Because: BIBLE.

    http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...ound-the-earth

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    Seriously.. that was good.

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    Don't Believe In Evolution? Try Thinking Harder


    http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/201...m_term=nprnews

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    Excellent article.


    Now try this in the political section.

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    Civilization sucks. Imagine a week with no stop signs. I'd forgotten just how many stars are up there.

    Coffee never tasted better.

    So there I sat nursing that coffee next to the fire when a big hoot owl comes over to about 10 feet from me. Not too concerned with the fire. He's watching me, studying me. So I pull out my harmonica and start playing some Noah Lewis. I can tell he/she is digging it. Then I start singing...."I'm locked up in prison, got 99 and a day"....off he's/she goes. Never could sing
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    Oh i just realized Avante has been gone. Sure was smooth around here.

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    Oh i just realized Avante has been gone. Sure was smooth around here.
    This is smooth?

    Blake

    Not my thing either.

    But putting your tongue into a hole that fecal matter comes out of is literally your thing. Worthy of a real lolutsa.



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    Yeah it was smooth without a fat old man constantly moaning and ing in every damn thread about other posters

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    Yeah it was smooth without a fat old man constantly moaning and ing in every damn thread about other posters
    This is smooth?

    Blake
    Yeah, huge lol when you guys post your imaginings of big black dudes and big s, tbh.

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    175 pages, is there any evidence my ancestors had a tail?

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    175 pages, is there any evidence my ancestors had a tail?
    I can believe wolves evolved into other dogs, saber tooth into other cats, big lzards into small lizards, that type of thing. But there is no way in all we evolved from a fish. That is so stupid it's ridiculous.

    The worm, the wasp, the gorilla, the cow all came from....a fish, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    What we still do not know and may never know is how the first cells arose. People are working on this as I type, or, should we contact them and tell them to give up? Some of this stuff leads to very important applications in medicine, I suggest they restrain from the go poof mechanism.
    They have started to figure that out as well. All you really need is basic simple lipids in small isolated pools.

    That is the thing about the "God in the gaps". Every time we fill in the parts we are ignorant about life, the universe, and everything, we find natural processes at work, and no sign of any guiding intelligence, much to the disappointment of Snakeboy and his mistaken assertions about the cambrian explosion.

    We will soon be able to build a better human, and once we do, we will show just what an "intelligent designer" can do.

    Once we show how haphazardly and stupidly we are really put together, by fixing the things evolution has saddled us with, I wonder what the ID people will say?

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    I can believe wolves evolved into other dogs, saber tooth into other cats, big lzards into small lizards, that type of thing. But there is no way in all we evolved from a fish. That is so stupid it's ridiculous.

    The worm, the wasp, the gorilla, the cow all came from....a fish, hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Offspring inherit traits from parents.
    Mutations in DNA happen.
    The Earth is billions of years old.

    Which one of those is wrong and why?

    If none of them are wrong, then you believe in evolution, as you have accepted the underlying assertions required for evolution as we understand it to happen.

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    No end to it....

    DNA functions like a software program. We know from experience that software comes from programmers. We know generally that information—whether inscribed in hieroglyphics, written in a book or encoded in a radio signal—always arises from an intelligent source. So, the discovery of information in the DNA molecule provides strong grounds for inferring that intelligence played a role in the origin of DNA, even if we weren’t there to observe the system coming into existence.

    Thus, contrary to media reports, the theory of intelligent design is not based upon ignorance or religion, but instead upon recent scientific discoveries and upon standard methods of scientific reasoning in which our uniform experience of cause and effect guides our inferences about what happened in the past.

    Of course, many will still dismiss intelligent design as nothing but “religion masquerading as science.” But intelligent design is not based upon the Bible. Design is an inference from biological data, not a deduction from religious authority.

    Even so, the theory of intelligent design may provide support for theistic belief. But that is not grounds for dismissing it. To say otherwise confuses the evidence for a theory and its possible implications. Many scientists initially rejected the Big Bang theory because it seemed to challenge the idea of an eternally self-existent universe and pointed to the need for a transcendent cause of matter, space and time. But scientists eventually accepted the theory despite such apparently unpleasant implications because [they thought] the evidence strongly supported it. Today a similar metaphysical prejudice confronts the theory of intelligent design.
    http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post...n.aspx#Article

    At least have the intellectual honesty to cite your sources.

    Not really an argument or evidence anyway. Just another flawed argument.

    Claim CF003:

    Source:

    Brown, Walt, 1995. In the Beginning: Compelling evidence for creation and the Flood. Phoenix, AZ: Center for Scientific Creation, p. 13.
    Response:

    This question is based on some major misconceptions (addressed below). Its overriding logical error, however, is that it is an argument from ignorance. One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

    Information is not meaning and does not, per se, imply any special structure or function. Any arrangement implies information; the information is how the arrangement is described. If a new arrangement occurs, whether spontaneously or from the outside, new information is assembled in the process. Even if the arrangement consists of shattering a glass into tiny pieces, that means assembling new information.

    Nothing needs to assemble itself. Evolution and abiogenesis do not exclude outside influences; on the contrary, such outside influences are essential. In abiogenesis, it is observed that complex organic molecules easily form spontaneously due to little more than basic chemistry and energy from the sun or from the earth's interior. In evolution, information from the environment is communicated to genomes indirectly via natural selection against varieties that do not do well in that environment.
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF003.html

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    They have started to figure that out as well.
    Who's they?

    Science? I thought Science has printeed in the Texts books how the universe and life came about now your saying they lied to us?

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    Why do I seriously doubt a dummy like you obviously are know more about than [Stephen C. Meyer] does?

    What are your credentials?
    Meyer earned his Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science in 1991 at the University of Cambridge.
    I know more about biology than he does.
    I am an accountant. I have a degree in German, and about 95% of a masters degree in accounting.

    Why do you think this historian and philosopher statements about biology are credible?

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